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Paige
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I am cracking up over here. Literally laughing out loud. I can barely breathe

Yeah cr. ok. Everyone should just accept God as their savior and be done with it. No one should strive to reach the point in their life or walk where they are willing to sacrifice everything to go be a missionary in Africa






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Festus
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You're wrong, CR. I'm not trying to make you say anything. I'm simply taking your posts and pointing out what I believe to be contradictions in what you post.

Honestly, and this is just my opinion, I think that's why you catch flack. I think you make blanket statements without thinking, and then you justify it.






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Festus
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Paige, you want to know what's crazy? Probably the most well spoken and accurate explanation about faith vs. works was posted by the only professed atheist in the thread.

I believe Tom, although he doesn't know it, is on a path to one day believing. (this is not meant to be antagonizing, Tom. I'm serious)






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Paige
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thank you for so eloquently stating the point I was trying to make

Sad that it came from an atheist and this pastor's son has no clue what I'm talking about






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Festus
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(twinsies)





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Cajun Revolution
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quote:

CR-how do you feed your faith? What keeps you close to God?


Reading the Bible and Prayer.

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Working to become a better person in Gods eyes is what carries me thru my week. It enriches my faith.


Everyone here is saying you need to work to be a better Christian.

I'm sitting here saying you have to do nothing but believe and trust in him. That faith will then start making changes...in your walk, how you talk, daily activities.

No action required. Just faith. Not traveling to Africa or mowing lawns.






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Paige
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quote:

Everyone here is saying
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I'm sitting here saying


Ok guys every one of us is morons even though we all get what each other is saying






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Cajun Revolution
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Works will not get you to Heaven, but works, i.e. effort and actions taken by the believer, are crucial in strengthening the relationship between God and the believer. How else do you grow your faith if not by works, by exercising it, challenging it?


Those will strengthen your relationship but the point is that the most important element is faith. Those are a byproduct of the faith.

What makes a change in your life isn't the act of reading. It is your faith in Christ and trust in Him. That makes the change. Prayer is an expression of that faith.






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Cajun Revolution
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Call me some more names Paige to further illustrate your understanding of the Bible. Please by all means.





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Tom288
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I believe Tom, although he doesn't know it, is on a path to one day believing.


Been there, done that.






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VetteGuy
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Well, grown people ought to be able to have a civil conversation w/o resorting to name-calling, I'll agree.

Debating the message of a book w/o actually reading said book is kinda silly though.






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Tom288
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What makes a change in your life isn't the act of reading. It is your faith in Christ and trust in Him. That makes the change. Prayer is an expression of that faith.



Actually you could argue it is the act that serves as the foundation of faith. What is faith if it is not tested, experienced, and pushed? Your faith only grows when you choose to step out and act (works, again) in faith even if...especially if...your faith has yet to grow and mature. Faith ultimately serves as the foundation of the Christian life, but it is acts (faith in practice, where it actually counts) that serve as the building blocks of that foundation.






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Paige
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I'm a weak sinner. What can I say





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McLemore
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is this thread anchored? eta: yes


This post was edited on 4/7 at 7:40 pm


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VetteGuy
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Aren't we all?





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League Champs
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My problem with Rick Warren (et al) is that you cannot 'sell' Christ. The only anger Christ showed was when he chased those selling animals deemed for sacrifice from the temple steps. He beat these people.
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he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. But he said to those who sold doves, ‘Get these out of here!

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Dove sellers were selling doves that were sacrificed by the poor who could not afford grander sacrifices and specifically by women

There is a strong message in there for me, that you should never profit from his message.






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McLemore
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good read: LINK





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Doc Fenton
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quote:

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I believe Tom, although he doesn't know it, is on a path to one day believing.


Been there, done that


It's funny that you will sit here and correctly make Catholic arguments on multiple fronts against various forms of Christian foolishness, yet when it comes to Catholicism itself, you will not allow yourself to go there because you are still wedded to the anti-Catholicism sentiment of the older culture you pretend to have rejected.

Based on the ridiculous spin you put on Catholicism and Nazism in this thread, which is a thread about the suicide of a pastor's son, maybe you haven't rejected it enough.

If you could climb into Ludwig Ott's book and refute any single one of the dozens and dozens of "de fide" statements of dogmatic faith found within it, then maybe you would have a point. If you can't, however, then maybe you don't have a leg to stand on, and maybe you're just clinging to anti-Catholicism in the same way that CarrolltonTiger clings to anti-Zionism.

In any case, now that the anchor has come, I'll go ahead and say what I wouldn't say before, which is that my sympathies lie with Rick Warren's son, and not so much with Rick Warren himself. The situation has all the flashing warning signs of being exactly the type of tragedy that happens when people find themselves trapped within a group that is based on superficial spin rather than humble reality. Given the comments of Rick in the original article, I doubt he's going to change, although it sure would be nice if he did.






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