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Look, the reason it's worded that way is to give more credibility to Dyson in the article.

If you were chosen to take Einstein's position it means you are extremely good. Physics chairs at Princeton are not given out by lottery.
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He's in no way the greatest physicist since Einstein, but that's the idea it's giving.

That's not the idea I got. If that's the idea you got your comprehension is lacking.
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They could have used the guy who took Einstein's position at the patent office and asked him what he thought.

So, you think the qualifications for a job at the patent office are equal to those of a Physics chair at Princeton? How odd.






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Simulation of shorter timescales can be difficult, because more factors that affect variations come into play that are generally washed out over longer periods. However, we can be fairly confident in the predictions of long term trends that will occur due to the input of greenhouse gases.


i'm calling bull shite. if you can't accurately predict in the short term due to overly simple simulations, how can you assume your long-term predictions are correct using the same standards? you would have to broaden your margin of error over time to account for inaccuracies to the point that you may as well just lick your finger, hold it up to the wind and guess.






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I feel like many are unable to accept that perfectly good science is being done in this field.


Do you really have some?

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However, we can be fairly confident in the predictions of long term trends that will occur due to the input of greenhouse gases.


Really? Although the inputs have NEVER decreased since the beginning of the industrial revolution, we've had MASSIVE up and down fluctuations in tempuratures -

Either the "cumulative" theory of "Greenhouse gases" is bull$hit or all of it is.

It's not science - it's religion. I figured that out a decade ago. More recently it is even more obvious - when cooling is used as evidence of AGW (or ACC), despite what they've preached for 10 to 15 years, how can it not be an obvious theology?



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Also, physicists have an issue with thinking they are experts in every field(I am one, so I understand the sentiment).
Good.
So you understand the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics as it relates to AGW/CO2 Greenhouse Theory and atmospheric temperature-CO2 level correlates.






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"There are people who just need a cause that’s bigger than themselves," said Happer. "Then they can feel virtuous and say other people are not virtuous."

the heart of many movements

i don't think there is a movement that shows this more than the "organic food" movement

that is second only to the alternative medicine/therapy movement

funny enough, both are typically found with progressives, and both movements involve rejecting science

those knuckledraggers






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Climatologists are no Einsteins, says his successor

Einstein's successor is no Einstein.






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rex what are your thoughts on the 16-20 year sample that doesn't reflect the models of doom?

it seems to me that while this doesn't disprove global warming, it does destroy the credibility of the models






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rex what are your thoughts on the 16-20 year sample that doesn't reflect the models of doom?

Already covered all that. It was an outlier. It's only one of several studies. The graph still reflects an upward trend, and even the researchers behind the study say it doesn't disprove increasing global temperatures.






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The graph still reflects an upward trend

in what way? from what point?

it seems weather patterns are a cycle. it's a matter of scale

for instance



cycles



end of the world






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Forget it, Zach. Typical of the AGW believers.

When confronted with something contrary to
Their beliefs, they attack the messenger and
never the message.






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One guys says it, must be true.





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now that cuts both ways





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Ace Midnight
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now that cuts both ways


To a certain degree - but the climate theocracy has actually painted themselves into a corner.

1. They've made wild assertions, using faulty (and worse, fudged) data (all of which is now fairly well known), to make doom and gloom predictions to gin up public sentiment.

2. They've proposed no real solutions beyond alternative fuels and a shadow economy by which we somehow "cap" emissions (from the West, mind you, not the developing world) and this will allow for those who "need" to produce emissions will pay for that right.

3. Even if we do everything they suggest, again, using their faulty/fudged science, we will only slightly mitigate the coming climate disaster they've predicted. And, by doing EVERYTHING, that means we sit around in the dark, walk/bicycle everywhere, freeze in the winter and burn up in the summer.


When presented with their arguments, I said to hell with them years ago. However, I am still open-minded enough to listen to anything - ANYTHING rational coming from the other side.

Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant. In all likelihood it is a trailing indicator of heat (warmer air can hold more gas, therefore, more CO2 is found in warmer gas), and the entire premise is flawed.

In any event, with steadily increasing emissions since the beginning of the industrial revolution and clear, significant examples of what must be other inputs (Solar radiation cycles, massive, natural climate fluctuations THROUGHOUT the fossil record, just a whole host of things completely unrelated to human activity), I see no benefit to expending even 1/10th of the effort we have thus far done to a problem that exists only in the minds of "true" believers. I want clean air and water. I'm not willing to kill 5 billion people to get it. I'll take "clean enough" air and water.



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My biggest beef with the climate religious zealots is the outrageous doomsday claims they make, and subsequently have to back from.

Some of these followers are ridiculously stupid. They use the retreating glaciers here as proof of some dramatic warming that is caused by mankind.

Here is a great example.

LINK

This local glacier has been retreating since the end of the little ice age, now it's all about "climate change."






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People like Al "pooped in my pants at the WH" Roker treat it like a religion. You're an idiot if you aren't of his denomination.

Al Roker Appalled by Poll Showing 37 Percent Believe Global Warming is a Hoax






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"There are people who just need a cause that’s bigger than themselves," said Happer. "Then they can feel virtuous and say other people are not virtuous."


That's probably the best I've heard it put.






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Roker has a production company. One of his groups was here filming for some climate change production they were doing.







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There are a few very complicated climate models that do quite well in predicting temperatures and variations in climate over timescales of thousands to millions of years. Simulation of shorter timescales can be difficult, because more factors that affect variations come into play that are generally washed out over longer periods. However, we can be fairly confident in the predictions of long term trends that will occur due to the input of greenhouse gases.


lol, the models are shite. the resolution is shite. just look at their predictuins....we are the lower end of the 95 percent ci from their predictions...or lower than it depending on the model.

thats called a failure






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lol, the models are shite. the resolution is shite. just look at their predictuins....we are the lower end of the 95 percent ci from their predictions...or lower than it depending on the model.

thats called a failure


If they get more money, I'm sure they can fix it.







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In all likelihood it is a trailing indicator of heat (warmer air can hold more gas, therefore, more CO2 is found in warmer gas), and the entire premise is flawed.
Solubility of gas contained in liquid decreases as temperature increases. (It's why an open coke loses it's carbonation much more quickly at room temperature than in the refrigerator.)

Carbon (CO2) exchanges between terrestrial reservoirs ("CO2 sinks") occur as the result of chemical, physical, geological, and biological processes.

>93% of this Carbon (CO2) is contained in the Ocean, while only about 1.6% of the total is in the atmosphere. Warmer water releases more CO2 into the atmosphere than does cold water.

Warmists claim this CO2 would heat the atmosphere due to a supposed CO2-Greenhouse effect. Heating the atmosphere vis-a-vis this Greenhouse Effect would further heat the oceans, which would result in still more CO2 being released. Independent of man, and predating his arrival by 100's of millions of years, such a cycle would have incinerated the planet (at least in terms of life as we know it).

OTOH IAW gas-liquid-temperature behavior, atmospheric CO2 is an excellent indicator climate general temperature.





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