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Climatologists are no Einsteins, says his successor



Freeman Dyson is a physicist who has been teaching at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton since Albert Einstein was there. When Einstein died in 1955, there was an opening for the title of "most brilliant physicist on the planet." Dyson has filled it.

"I just think they don't understand the climate," he said of climatologists. "Their computer models are full of fudge factors."

"The models are extremely oversimplified," he said. "They don't represent the clouds in detail at all. They simply use a fudge factor to represent the clouds."

Dyson said his skepticism about those computer models was borne out by recent reports of a study by Ed Hawkins of the University of Reading in Great Britain that showed global temperatures were flat between 2000 and 2010 — even though we humans poured record amounts of CO-2 into the atmosphere during that decade.

That was vindication for a man who was termed "a civil heretic" in a New York Times Magazine article on his contrarian views. Dyson embraces that label, with its implication that what he opposes is a religious movement. So does his fellow Princeton physicist and fellow skeptic, William Happer.

"There are people who just need a cause that’s bigger than themselves," said Happer. "Then they can feel virtuous and say other people are not virtuous."


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"Their computer models are full of fudge factors."


BING -- MUTHER F*CKING -- OOOO!!!!


And, the more you rig/"fudge" your models, the more money you get from AleGore and his fraudulent filthy f*cking friends.






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"Then they can feel virtuous and say other people are not virtuous."








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AleGore and his fraudulent filthy f*cking friends.


Al Gore could become world's first carbon billionaire






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"There are people who just need a cause that’s bigger than themselves," said Happer. "Then they can feel virtuous and say other people are not virtuous."


:boom:


But we all know the NYT is the arbiter of all climate truth (as evidenced by their massive religious following).






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"I just think they don't understand the climate," he said of climatologists. "Their computer models are full of fudge factors."

"The models are extremely oversimplified," he said. "They don't represent the clouds in detail at all. They simply use a fudge factor to represent the clouds."


Second Law of Thermodynamics meets AGW Mythology.






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Can't wait to see who doesn't post in this thread.





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Next to Odumbf*ck himself, AleGore will go down as the biggest f*cking con artist of that last 200 years.





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"There are people who just need a cause that’s bigger than themselves," said Happer. "Then they can feel virtuous and say other people are not virtuous."


These people are liberal progressives. Their goal is power/control.






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These people are liberal progressives. Their goal is power/control.


Yup, and your power is your money. Confiscate the fruits of your labor, just like their forefather Massahs did back on the plantation.

But, we need to hurry up and pass a carbon tax bill so we can "see what's in it"!






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Ratsofftoyou
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Uhh, I wouldn't call Dyson a successor to Einstein...Also, physicists have an issue with thinking they are experts in every field (I am one, so I understand the sentiment). If Dyson feels so strongly about this, perhaps he should apply his expertise to the field to see what sort of results he obtains. Complaining about cloud simulation in multi kyr climate model is stupid, there's no way to simulate long time scales with THAT degree of resolution.





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Al Gore- king of," do as I say, not as I do"!





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there's no way to simulate long time scales with THAT degree of resolution.


wouldn't this be a pretty solid argument against all climate models?






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I wouldn't call Dyson a successor to Einstein

Who was?






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CollegeFBRules
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there's no way to simulate long time scales with THAT degree of resolution.


Either a. The issue is that climatologists are using no resolution. b. They don't know how to account for them, or c. Both.

In any case, for there to be so much variability and confusion regarding the science, it would seem logical that so many scoff at billions of dollars of schemes to limit carbon emissions, especially in light of flat mean temperatures.






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Who was?


Well, I would reserve that title for a physicist who made great advances in theoretical physics rather than for someone who happened to hold the same position at Princeton. Someone like Hawking, Feynman , or Gerard 't Hooft, but I guess calling Dyson the successor to Einstein is technically correct in a sense.






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I guess calling Dyson the successor to Einstein is technically correct in a sense.

Yes. And Freddy Gonzalez is the successor to Bobby Cox. That's the definition of the word.






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Either a. The issue is that climatologists are using no resolution. b. They don't know how to account for them, or c. Both.

In any case, for there to be so much variability and confusion regarding the science, it would seem logical that so many scoff at billions of dollars of schemes to limit carbon emissions, especially in light of flat mean temperatures.


I'm not making a case for political action on the matter, but I feel like many are unable to accept that perfectly good science is being done in this field. No simulations perfectly keep track of all variables with the highest accuracy, that's computationally impossible. What matters is that you incorporate the most pertinent factors with a high enough degree of accuracy so that the simulation is able to accurately reproduce what's observed. There are a few very complicated climate models that do quite well in predicting temperatures and variations in climate over timescales of thousands to millions of years. Simulation of shorter timescales can be difficult, because more factors that affect variations come into play that are generally washed out over longer periods. However, we can be fairly confident in the predictions of long term trends that will occur due to the input of greenhouse gases. How quickly these changes will manifest is not entirely known, though.






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Yes. And Freddy Gonzalez is the successor to Bobby Cox. That's the definition of the word.


Look, the reason it's worded that way is to give more credibility to Dyson in the article. He's in no way the greatest physicist since Einstein, but that's the idea it's giving. They could have used the guy who took Einstein's position at the patent office and asked him what he thought.






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"There are people who just need a cause that’s bigger than themselves," said Happer. "Then they can feel virtuous and say other people are not virtuous."


aka the "intellectual left"






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