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Suntiger
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft

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My assumption is he is an ineffective OLB. The Saints don't need "projects"


Hey Cajun, I know how you feel about Ansah, but what do you think about Dion Jordan?


Cajun Revolution
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
A lot better than I feel about Mingo. I haven't understood the Saints with their defensive drafts for the past 10 years.

This team doesn't need projects, it can barely get production out of its "developed" players. The 49ers can invest in "raw" prospects. The Saints need to plug holes now, not 4 years from now.


blueslover
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
kinda ironic to me that the year when we would have a very strong chance to get the top 4-3 DE (Werner) we are switching to the 3-4. Jordan, Ansah, & Mingo all take some projecting. Jones is the only one with the precise game experience for the position. I'm heading up the Jones is this year's Terrell Suggs bandwagon. Suggs had the same good tape/terrible workout ID (of course no spinal stenosis). 84 sacks in 10 years for Suggs. I'd take that.


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htran90
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
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This team doesn't need projects, it can barely get production out of its "developed" players. The 49ers can invest in "raw" prospects. The Saints need to plug holes now, not 4 years from now.



agreed, but at the same time a lot of our recent defensive draft picks have been late so its not like we could have gotten a proven commodity.

The biggest maybe was probably malcolm jenkins when we had better options, but in hindsight we had a pretty decent LB corps at the time so we didn't NEED cushing or matthews


Cajun Revolution
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
This Defense has too many holes to be filled in one draft or FA. We celebrated for 4 days straight over signing a bench player from the Cowboys.

Personally, I think this team needs an elite man to man CB but I suppose we need pass rushing help too and that would make the CBs better.


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Suntiger
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
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A lot better than I feel about Mingo.


This is what I don't get. How can people like Jordan and hate Mingo? They are similar size:
Barkevious Mingo LSU 6-4 241
Dion Jordan Oregon 6-6 248 (less girth due to height!)

They have virtually the same stats:

Dion Jordan: 121 tackles, 29 tackles for loss, 14.5 sacks and 4 forced fumbles

Barkevious Mingo: 119 tackles, 29.0 tackles for loss, 15 sacks and 4 forced fumbles

They graded out very similarly by NFL.com:
Mingo
Jordan

And Mingo played in the tougher conference.



WHY THE MINGO HATE AND THE JORDAN LOVE?


Cajun Revolution
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
Probably has something to do with technique if I had to guess.


goatmilker
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
Please continue...


Cajun Revolution
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
Let me guess, you think Mingo is a 20 sack player lol


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blueslover
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
I'm not down on Mingo at all but do rate Jordan a step higher. Things I like more are that he is already polished in coverage. At 6'6" he might be the prototypical answer to covering the Grahams and Gronks of the NFL. They both played lighter and gained weight postseason. Jordan looks a lot more fuller and stouter physically after the gain. Mingo still looks a bit light to me. Of course they both have been spectacular in drills even with the added pounds.


HollierThanThou
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
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WHY THE MINGO HATE AND THE JORDAN LOVE?



Probably due to hating the retarded LSU fans that post on this board hoping to get every LSU player. In reality LSU has some of the most talented defensive players in the country. And Mingo is definitely one of them.


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mindbreaker
New Orleans Saints Fan
Baton Rouge
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
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And Mingo played in the tougher conference.



WHY THE MINGO HATE AND THE JORDAN LOVE?



This is exactly what I have been saying. The biased works two ways here. Either there are LSU fans that love Mingo, or hate him because of the dreaded "he can't shed blocks argument". They can say this because none of them had the exposure to Jordan they had to Mingo. Dion Jordan but nearly identical numbers to Mingo last year. The biggest difference being Mingo had 11 more QB hurries than Jordan. That alone shows me he was in the backfield more, but still people are all on board the Jordan bandwagon and hate Mingo I just don't get it either.


mindbreaker
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
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'm not down on Mingo at all but do rate Jordan a step higher. Things I like more are that he is already polished in coverage. At 6'6" he might be the prototypical answer to covering the Grahams and Gronks of the NFL. They both played lighter and gained weight postseason. Jordan looks a lot more fuller and stouter physically after the gain. Mingo still looks a bit light to me. Of course they both have been spectacular in drills even with the added pounds.


This is a valid argument and much better than the Mingo will be a huge bust but we can't miss on Jordan talk I have heard


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lsufan112001
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
T'eo


wildtigercat93
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
I dont get the Varraco hate


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coldhotwings
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
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A lot better than I feel about Mingo. I haven't understood the Saints with their defensive drafts for the past 10 years.

This team doesn't need projects, it can barely get production out of its "developed" players. The 49ers can invest in "raw" prospects. The Saints need to plug holes now, not 4 years from now.


Most of the defensive players that the Saints have drafted in the first round in recent years have been considered "polished" and "can't-miss" players at their draft positions with the exception of Patrick Robinson who was considered a reach on many draft projections. Maybe it's time to take a chance and roll the dice on some crazy athleticism over guys with solid college stats and film such as Sedrick Ellis and Malcolm Jenkins. I do not believe our defense will be good in the first year transitioning from a 4-3 to a 3-4. Might as well take a chance on some guys who have sky high potential.


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coldhotwings
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
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This is exactly what I have been saying. The biased works two ways here. Either there are LSU fans that love Mingo, or hate him because of the dreaded "he can't shed blocks argument". They can say this because none of them had the exposure to Jordan they had to Mingo. Dion Jordan but nearly identical numbers to Mingo last year. The biggest difference being Mingo had 11 more QB hurries than Jordan. That alone shows me he was in the backfield more, but still people are all on board the Jordan bandwagon and hate Mingo I just don't get it either.



I really don't understand people who have issue with Mingo getting drafted by the Saints in the first when so many non-LSU coaches, scouts, and fans are interested in him to go much earlier than pick #15. He is a bargain pickup at that draft slot and makes good sense in a transition to a 3-4. If anyone thinks it is cool to ridicule LSU fans for wanting LSU players, pick on the guys who want Tyrann Mathieu with that pick.


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Suntiger
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
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I dont get the Varraco hate


I don't think it's hate as much as people don't like safetys drafted that early. LaRon Landry, Michael Huff, Jenkins, Merriweather. They are all good players, but not what you would expect a top of the first round guy to be.

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more are that he is already polished in coverage. At 6'6" he might be the prototypical answer to covering the Grahams and Gronks of the NFL.


Fair enough. I just don't get how people can like Ansah, Mingo or Jordan and hate the other. All similar and all based on potential and all have some weakenss, be it size (Jordan/Mingo), stamina or football knowledge (Ansah). We'd be lucky to get any of these guys.


Enfuego
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
T'eo is too obvious

Vaccaro for me. Dude played on a soft D in college.


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SammyTiger
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Member since Feb 2009
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re: The One Player You Just Flat-Out Don't Want to Draft
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Probably has something to do with technique if I had to guess.


why are you guessing? aren't you on the Yay JOrdan boo Mingo band wagon?

What is your opinion of Jordan v Mingo Pass rushing technique?


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