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Homeland buying up so much ammunition.


Is it to prepare to kill us all or is it to use the pretend unlimited resources of the federal government to bypass a legislative attack on the 2nd Amendment by choking off the supply of ammunition available in retail outlets available to the public?

It's the latter.

It is the one instance in which Obama seems to understand supply and demand. It is clearly a strategy.

Has nothing to do with a dictatorship. They buy most of the ammunition, it becomes scarce and expensive for the public.



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Is this inconsistent with the previous administrations spending on ammunition?





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Is this inconsistent with the previous administrations spending on ammunition?


Very, it's completely unprecedented how much ammunition they are buying.






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I understand that thr DHS is actually buying less than previous years and is spending 1/10th the allowed budget on ammo. Also, these bullets are simply for training agents according to DHC.


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Has nothing to do with a dictatorship. They buy most of the ammunition, it becomes scarce and expensive for the public.



If thats the case

WHY?

I contend it is a stop gap measure and part of a larger plan.

It makes 0 sense because Obama will be out in 16

or will he?






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Training with hollow points? Hollow points only have one purpose, to kill, or so we have been told. They call them "cop killer" bullets after all.


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re: Homeland buying up so much ammunition.


It's not true

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My honest opinion is that our Gov't is so far deep in debt and spending that can't be fixed without drastic measures, such as greatly cutting entitlement programs or squeezing the wealthy and middle class dry, even so far as to take away retirement accounts and such.

I think they know that no matter what, they've dug a hole that can't be dug out of without pissing a lot of people off. Continue down the current path, we go bankrupt and the economy crashes and millions lose jobs. Chaos ensues.

Cut entitlement spending...the half of America on some type of Gov't assistance erupts in anger and violence.

Start taking more from the working people, and start raiding accounts like Europe, and that half erupts into chaos.

I think they are simply preparing for when the shite hits the fan. This is why there is a push for gun control, but they are seeing that it won't pass and they have to be prepared if all hell breaks loose. So really, they are scared as frick right now.






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I like this comment.


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Mark Hyams commented on 3/26/2013
Congressman Broun, Thank you for investigating this issue. My concern is we are being asked to accept a response from the source we are investigating, and dismissing sources providing conflicting information. Should we really expect them to tell us the truth and not verify their story? If what we are told is true, that DHS is making massive purchases at this time "to save money," the timing does not make sense. Exactly when were these purchase orders submitted? Ammunition and certain firearms are extremely expensive and over priced due to panic buying by the public. Orders by the DHS exacerbate the issue. I believe there is more to this than we are being told. I do not trust any spokesperson for this administration (or any other for that matter) to be forthright and honest and provide ALL of the information requested without being forced into a position to do so. History bears this out. I will not be satisfied with any explanation from this administration without corroborating evidence from independent sources. I certainly hope you won't either. Sincerely, Mark Hyams







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LSUwag
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these bullets are simply for training agents according to DHC.


Bull shite. FLETC (Federal Law Enforcement Training Center) has been nearly shut down for the past two years. I've been on a waiting list to go to Firearms Instructor school for two years and it has been cancelled due to budget cuts. Training academies have been nearly shut down as well. It takes my agency two full years to get a newly hired officer fully trained. It used to take six weeks.

DHS is buying ammo to drive up prices and make it unavailable to ordinary citizens.






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aaronb023
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DHS is buying ammo to drive up prices and make it unavailable to ordinary citizens.


Well it's working. Us ordinary citizens still have a nice stockpile though






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Bull shite. FLETC (Federal Law Enforcement Training Center) has been nearly shut down for the past two years. I've been on a waiting list to go to Firearms Instructor school for two years and it has been cancelled due to budget cuts. Training academies have been nearly shut down as well. It takes my agency two full years to get a newly hired officer fully trained. It used to take six weeks.


NRA Sets Record Straight on Ammo

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You may recently have seen some in the Internet rumor mill feverishly repeating the obvious truth above, in an effort to stir up fear about recent acquisitions of ammunition by the Department of Homeland Security and a number of smaller agencies. The mildest writers have questioned why seemingly mundane agencies would need ammunition at all; more incendiary authors suggest that these government agencies are preparing for a war with the American people.

Much of the concern stems from a lack of understanding of the law enforcement functions carried about by officers in small federal agencies. These agents have the power to make arrests and execute warrants, just like their better-known counterparts at agencies like the FBI.

For instance, the Social Security Administration solicited offers for 174,000 rounds of pistol ammunition. But the agency has 295 special agents who combat Social Security fraud that costs tax payers billions each year, so the order works out to roughly 590 rounds of ammunition per agent for training, mandatory quarterly qualification shooting and duty use. More than a few NRA members would use that much ammunition in a weekend shooting class or plinking session.

Another recent rumor questioned a request for 46,000 rounds of.40-caliber ammo by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. NOAA inadvertently fueled that speculation through a clerical error that suggested the ammunition was destined for the National Weather Service. NOAA later clarified that the ammunition was actually for the little known Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, which enforces laws against illegal fishing and marine life importation. The ammunition is for 63 personnel, amounting to about 730 rounds per officer.

The most widespread of the recent rumors involves a Department of Homeland Security contract for a maximum of 450 million rounds of .40-caliber jacketed hollow-points, to be supplied over the next five years.


After receiving numerous questions from his constituents regarding the contract, pro-Second Amendment U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-Ga.) and his staff set out in search of the truth. In a press release, Rep. Westmoreland's office explains:

If you take the number of agencies that will be using this ammunition – CBP, Citizenship and Immigration Services, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), ICE, the U.S. Secret Service, Transportation Security Administration, the DHS police force, and all the guards that protect the various buildings these agencies are housed in, and spread that out over 5 years, you start to see that 450 million rounds really isn't that large of an order. Especially considering it is used for training purposes like firing range and live fire exercises, on-the-job use (though that is very limited), and to shore up their supplies. In fact, there are 65,000 – 70,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS who would be covered under this … ammunition contract. If DHS were to purchase all 450 million rounds over 5 years, then that would equate to only about 1,384 rounds of ammo per year per law enforcement [officer] … assuming the lower estimate of only 65,000 law enforcement personnel at DHS. Considering those agents go through training exercises several times per year, that is not a lot of ammunition.

Perhaps most strangely, some have cited the purchase of hollow-point ammunition as evidence of the federal government's evil motives. Hollow-points are the defensive ammunition of choice for federal, state and local law enforcement officers across the country, just as they are for private citizens. These attacks are eerily similar to statements made by gun prohibitionists, who spent the much of the '70s, '80s and '90s complaining about "dum dum" bullets. (In fact, the Violence Policy Center's website still exhibits a publication lamenting that federal ammunition law "has no effect on today's generation of high-tech hollow-point ammunition.") The attacks also ignore the fact that federal agents, unlike average taxpayers on more limited budgets, normally train and qualify with their duty ammunition.

As most gun owners will agree, skepticism of government is healthy. But today, there are more than enough actual threats to the Second Amendment to keep gun owners busy. With two key Supreme Court decisions hanging by a one-vote margin, the Justice Department deeply involved in a cover-up of a disastrous Mexican gun smuggling operation, and President Obama touting a ban on popular semi-automatic firearms, there is no need to invent additional threats to our rights.







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faxis
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DHS and ATF should be shut down.

/fin






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KeyserSoze999
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Obama does what the chicoms tell him to do





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1.6 billion rounds is enough to wage a hot war for over 20 years. With sequestration in effect and the budget cuts within the department, you wonder why they are spending so much on ammo.





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1.6 billion rounds is enough to wage a hot war for over 20 years.


Interception's link says about 17 years of training. Seems about equal.



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Oyster
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Has nothing to do with a dictatorship. They buy most of the ammunition, it becomes scarce and expensive for the public.


This only works for a short time.



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panama city tigerfan
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Hollow points for training !





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lsu480
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DHS is buying ammo to drive up prices and make it unavailable to ordinary citizens


Please! Anyone can still get any ammo they want. Also, the amount DHS is buying is tiny compared to what ordinary citizens are buying.






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MonroeTiger80
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My honest opinion is that our Gov't is so far deep in debt and spending that can't be fixed without drastic measures, such as greatly cutting entitlement programs or squeezing the wealthy and middle class dry, even so far as to take away retirement accounts and such.

I think they know that no matter what, they've dug a hole that can't be dug out of without pissing a lot of people off. Continue down the current path, we go bankrupt and the economy crashes and millions lose jobs. Chaos ensues.

Cut entitlement spending...the half of America on some type of Gov't assistance erupts in anger and violence.

Start taking more from the working people, and start raiding accounts like Europe, and that half erupts into chaos.

I think they are simply preparing for when the shite hits the fan. This is why there is a push for gun control, but they are seeing that it won't pass and they have to be prepared if all hell breaks loose. So really, they are scared as frick right now.



This is exactly, 100% right. This country WILL NOT survive AS IS.

My hope is that when the doodoo hits the fan 15-20 state legislatures will declare independence from the national government that caused the debacle and then proceed to reform a new country based on a stricter interpretation of the founder's document. As was the case in 1991 when the USSR collapsed, the former Soviet republics went their own way and although it tried briefly in Lithuania the Kremlin in the end was powerless to stop them.







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