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DaGarun
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Giver vs Taker States



(Prepare: this is a long post. Feel free to move along if that sort of thing offends you. I also did the best I could with the images, but I'm no guru)

I see the same graphs over and over that seem to indicate that "red" states receive WAY more than they contribute to the Federal government. So today I went to a couple of different sources to get 2012 data. The result? Some do, some don't, but it's not as clear-cut as is often portrayed by the Kos crowd.

First off, I eliminated defense spending from the totals. My premise here is that the entire nation benefits from defense, regardless of where the bases are located. But if you have a beef with that modification, the numbers didn't change all that much really, and "blue" state Virginia had the biggest drop down the list when I excluded it. So feel free to play with the data yourself:

Revenue from IRS
Spending from Census Bureau

One of the first things I noticed was that even when defense spending was excluded completely, we still spent $1.06 for every dollar collected last year. Unsustainable. Anyway, I digress. Here is a view of the Non-Defense ratio color-coded by the 2012 Presidential election results. Pretty even mix:

The “Takers” (more or less):



The “Givers” (more or less):



Delaware has to be that low due to all the corporate taxes collected, huh? Only thing I can think of since they fare much worse in the per-capita ranks (though still not bad). But what's up with Minnesota?

Finally, someone was curious in another thread about the per-capita spend, and that was on the Census link above, so here it is:



Ok, since Federal salaries are included, I think D.C. can be eliminated as an anomaly (though it still easily ranks #1 at $37,817 if you exclude it). But I can’t tell if defense salaries are in that figure, so I didn’t go there...




Not so clear cut, is it?







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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Man can you type. New jersey always pays a ton to fund other places





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NC_Tigah
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Not so clear cut, is it?








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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Take thise dollars and present on a per capita basis





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TigerintheNO
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I see the same graphs over and over that seem to indicate that "red" states receive WAY more than they contribute to the Federal government


The country is $17 trillion in debt, every state receives more than they contribute to the Federal Government.






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DaGarun
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Take thise dollars and present on a per capita basis

I thought I did for the spending, at least...

I guess I could have done revenue, but then I'd have to exclude corporate taxes since companies all over are based in states like Delaware. Too murky for me, but feel free. The data is in the links.






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JEAUXBLEAUX
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Interesting





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CollegeFBRules
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Major props, D, for this work.





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TigerTattle
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Major props, D, for this work.
Seconded. Loudly.






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DaGarun
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Thanks CFB and TT

The two links I have contain a ton of data. I'm sure it could be chopped up 1,000 ways. This is just the way I chose. And there ate many years of data, I just chose the most recent.

But... WTF, New Mexico?!?






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ironsides
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Once again, you aren't on welfare if you win a contract: you are doing business.

You are a taker if you are on food stamps or welfare.

By any of these definitions by the way all of these liberal studies leave out that when you consider the treasury department (which none of them do) there is not a bigger taker, even per capita, than Ny/NJ/Ct.

Without the bailouts and the overnight lending, there is no leverage with which the banks can use to make gigantic sums of money that will never see Main Street.






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