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SammyTiger
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling

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Left handed people are a "variation within the norm" of heterosexual people with two hands and two legs.

Dwarfism is a "variation within the norm" of heterosexual people with two hands and two legs.

A "variation within the norm" is still being normal.

Homosexuality is not a "variation within the norm" of heterosexual people with two hands and two legs.

Therefore, homosexuality is not normal.


I mean by your groupings. I could say Homosexuals are a variation within the norm of people who have sex.


DawgfaninCa
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1. Homosexuals are happy. Last time i checked they are still members of society. A happier society is usually better.


Heterosexuals are happy too.

What does society get from homosexuality that benefits society that it can't also get from heterosexuality?



DawgfaninCa
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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I mean by your groupings. I could say Homosexuals are a variation within the norm of people who have sex.


Homosexuality is not a variation of normal people who have heterosexual sex that ensures our very existence and survival.



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SammyTiger
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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Heterosexuals are happy too.

What does society get from homosexuality that benefits society that it can't also get from heterosexuality?




Happy homosexuals.

Just heterosexual marriage= happy heteros, unhappy homos
Hetero marraige, and Homo marraige= everyone happy.

Also i believe homosexual marriage would cut back on homosexual promiscuity, and probably help cut the spread of aids.


Srbtiger06
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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Also i believe homosexual marriage would cut back on homosexual promiscuity, and probably help cut the spread of aids.


Just out of curiosity....how?


SammyTiger
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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Just out of curiosity....how?


I think when given the option of an actual marriage and life together people will choose that over promiscuity, or at least a portion of people. Less people fricking around equals less chances to spread aids.


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NC_Tigah
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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It would be a bad argument, since you don't have to be married to continue the human race, and they would still get these privileges otherwise, and people without kids get these privileges as well.
Actually the nuclear family as a societal building block is a fairly sound argument if you choose to argue against any sort of gay union. I don't. But the basis is that by encouraging heterosexual marriage, social stability is enhanced and government costs are reduced. e.g., Dissolution of a traditional married family unit is less likely to result in government dependence than is dissolution of a non-married assuming each result in single parent households.


SammyTiger
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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Actually the nuclear family as a societal building block is a fairly sound argument if you choose to argue against any sort of gay union. I don't. But the basis is that by encouraging heterosexual marriage, social stability is enhanced and government costs are reduced. e.g., Dissolution of a traditional married family unit is less likely to result in government dependence than is dissolution of a non-married assuming each result in single parent households.


Giving gays the same privileges doesn't take away the advantages of heterosexual marriage vs divorce or not getting married.


NC_Tigah
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Giving gays the same privileges doesn't take away the advantages of heterosexual marriage vs divorce or not getting married.
But it costs the government revenue.


SammyTiger
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But it costs the government revenue.


Valid point.

but don't you also get deductions for your kids?

Families without kids still get these rewards while not being nuclear families, and not really benefiting society in the same way a family would.
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NC_Tigah
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but don't you also get deductions for your kids?

Families without kids still get these rewards while not being nuclear families
Sounds like those families without kids are tax cheating


SammyTiger
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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Sounds like those families without kids are tax cheating


I think if you only got benefits for being a family with kids, you would see more of a push for gay adoption rights nation wide. well basically it would be what people are saying the government getting out of marriage, but still giving incentives to maintian families.


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Poodlebrain
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
Granting privileges to heterosexual couples could be considered a compelling state interest since it is deemed to promote the propagation of the species. This permits the state to discriminate against homosexual couples by denying them the same privileges. One of those privileges denied homosexual couples could be the tax benefits of being married. Is that simple enough for you to understand how laws that deny privileges can pass constitutional challenges? Denying privileges is a form of discrimination. Thus, discriminatory laws can be constitutional if there is a compelling state interest.

I'm willing to concede that hte Supreme Court will consider the compelling state interest and any conflicts with other constitutional guarantees. The Supreme Court may give more weight to those other guarantees than the state's compelling interest and rule against the discriminatory provisions. That is one of the unknowns of litigation. You can never predict how judges will rule with any certainty as they have multiple approaches to every issue available to them.


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SammyTiger
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This is completely irrelevant to the issue. The Supreme Court has determined that discrimination is okay when there is a compelling state interest. I would think survival of the species is as compelling an interesst as you could find. Passing policies that encourage propagation of the species would seem likely to pass Supreme Court scrutiny unless there are mitigating factors that the Supreme Court feels should be taken into account. I don't think fairness is one of them.


what is the legal backing for this statement. I am not accusing you of making it up, i would just like to better educate myself on the principle.


DawgfaninCa
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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Heterosexuals are happy too.

What does society get from homosexuality that benefits society that it can't also get from heterosexuality?


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Happy homosexuals.


Is that like Happy New Year?

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Also i believe homosexual marriage would cut back on homosexual promiscuity, and probably help cut the spread of aids.


So you are going to use AIDS as an excuse for why we should allow same sex marriage?




SammyTiger
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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So you are going to use AIDS as an excuse for why we should allow same sex marriage?


No i think pure equality of rights is a strong enough argument, but i see this as a possible benefit.


VOR
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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Left handed people are a "variation within the norm" of heterosexual people with two hands and two legs.

Dwarfism is a "variation within the norm" of heterosexual people with two hands and two legs.

A "variation within the norm" is still being normal.

Homosexuality is not a "variation within the norm" of heterosexual people with two hands and two legs.

Therefore, homosexuality is not normal.


There is no scientific nor logical basis for that post. Nice try, though.


Poodlebrain
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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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what is the legal backing for this statement. I am not accusing you of making it up, i would just like to better educate myself on the principle.
LINK


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Henry Jones Jr
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Hetero marraige, and Homo marraige= everyone happy.

umm..... no


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re: NBC : SCOTUS not prepared to issue sweeping gay rights ruling
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