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let me just ask this question: what is more absurd, (1) the GOP is not racist or (2) the term "Chicago" is a coded racist term?


Is that a trick question? LOL







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Bayou Sam
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That is utter nonsense. The Whigs died out 60 years before the Global Progressive movement.


Uh, what? The Whigs were incorporated into the Republican party.

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Progressivism stems from European Historicism and scholars application of Darwinism to government structure.


wtf






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Bayou Sam
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i think he pushed it due to political pragmatism, not racism. LBJ was a complete piece of shite (towards everyone who wasn't LBJ) who cared about legacy and power. the CRA allowed him both. he was not a noble political actors by any means

LBJ was a very bad person and a complete slimeball politician



Maye you have some insight into LBJ's mind that I don't have. Seems to me that the "nobility" card is just a red herring you can use to bash someone who "isn't perfect", as if that's proof of something.






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Bayou Sam
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i really do hope that everyone gets to participate in a democratic campaign in urban areas one day

if it doesn't make you sick to your stomach, then i feel bad for you and your objectivity


It's politics--all sides use dirty tricks. I don't campaign because I don't like to roll in the mud; and also I'm not a very tribalistic person.

But it certainly doesn't shock me. And it's rather foolish to think that the superstitions on the dem side are so much worse than the superstitions on the republican side.






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Antonio Moss
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Uh, what? The Whigs were incorporated into the Republican party.


The anti-slavery portion was. Other portions were absorbed by the Constitutionalist and the Democrats. This occurred after the 1852 election - about 60 years before the Progressive movement took full swing in the US.

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wtf


Read up on it. There are tons of books on the subject. It's quite fascinating. I suggested started with Woodrow Wilson's ideology then working out from there.






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LBJ was a whore for power from day one of his political career til he died.





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Bayou Sam
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The Whigs were more than just an anti-slavery program; their industrial policy as well was an ancestor of modern progressivism. And anyway, I don't see how it's the time scale is relevant when you're talking about historical causality.

On the second point, that may be true for Woodrow Wilson, but there are many origins of progessivism beyond darwinism and "European Historicism," whatever that's supposed to be.







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Antonio Moss
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The Whigs were more than just an anti-slavery program; their industrial policy


Sure, I never denied such

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as well was an ancestor of modern progressivism.


Meh. That's a difficult argument. Outside of the Whigs belief in Historic relevance and justification, there is not much in terms of comparable ideology. And I've never seen anything that attempts to connect the Whig ideology to the genesis of the Progressive Movement.






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Antonio Moss
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On the second point, that may be true for Woodrow Wilson, but there are many origins of progessivism beyond darwinism and "European Historicism," whatever that's supposed to be.


Sure, these aren't the sole foundations of the Progressive Ideology, but they are the most fundamental and the greatest contributors.






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crawdaddy52
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We don't have a monopoly on racism but this was the only part of the country that codified it. I remember separate but equal - from water fountains to bathrooms to schools. Jim Crow was a nasty thing and yes it was propagated by people who identified as democrat. What has that to do with the modern parties - who the hell is a liberal republican today? Nixon's silent majority was an appeal to racist all over the country. Particularly union voters in the midwest. I don't think there were blacks in the silent majority.





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Taxing Authority
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We don't have a monopoly on racism but this was the only part of the country that codified it.






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Bayou Sam
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Sure, these aren't the sole foundations of the Progressive Ideology, but they are the most fundamental and the greatest contributors.


What evidence do you have for this? What books are thinking of?

Two points of objection that come to mind immediately.

First, metaphors drawn from the biological sciences were employed in the 17th and 18th centuries for virtually all kinds of different political positions--including most famously free market liberalism.

On historicism, Edmund Burke, the founder of "conservatism", was himself historicist.

Also, I'm still not sure what "European Historicism" is supposed to mean--there are so many different varieties of "historicism" (again, what do you mean by this?) that I really don't have the foggiest idea how it could be lumped into one "movement".

Also, it should be noted that forms of utopianism and proto-socialism are ancient in provenance.






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Bayou Sam
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You can connect the Whigs to modern progressivism in terms of government intervention into the economy. It's true that the republicans were largely anti-union, but it's also worth pointing out that the most libertarian president in US history was a Democrat in the late 19th c.





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It's not a myth. Here's what I heard a lot:

"I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me."






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What difference at this point does it make?





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We don't have a monopoly on racism but this was the only part of the country that codified it.


Not true at all. My grandparents on my mother's side were born in Illinois in the mid-20s and grew up there. There was a law in their town that disallowed blacks from being within the city limits after sun down. If they violated this code they were arrested on sight.







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"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."

-- Lyndon B. Johnson


Yeah LBJ was a great man. Pretty unracist quote there. Remind me again how much money he made from kickbacks and shite from bell helicopter by prolonging the vietnam war killing Americas sons.






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To begin with, the record contains numerous "examples of modern instances" of racial discrimination in voting, City of Boerne, 521 U.S. at 530, 117 S.Ct. 2157. Just a few recent examples:

• Kilmichael, Mississippi's abrupt 2001 decision to cancel an election when "an unprecedented number" of African Americans ran for office, H.R.Rep. No. 109-478, at 36-37 (internal quotation marks omitted);

• Webster County, Georgia's 1998 proposal to reduce the black population in three of the education board's five single-member districts after the school district elected a majority black school board for the first time, Voting Rights Act: Section 5 of the Act — History, Scope, and Purpose: Hearing Before Subcomm. on the Constitution of the House Judiciary Comm., 109th Cong. 830-31 (2006) ("History, Scope, and Purpose");

• Mississippi's 1995 attempt to evade preclearance and revive a dual registration system "initially enacted in 1892 to disenfranchise Black voters" and previously struck down by a federal court, H.R.Rep. No. 109-478, at 39;

• Washington Parish, Louisiana's 1993 attempt to reduce the impact of a majority-African American district by "immediately creat[ing] a new at-large seat to ensure that no white incumbent would lose his seat," id. at 38;

• Waller County, Texas's 2004 attempt to reduce early voting at polling places near a historically black university and its threats to prosecute students for [*866] "illegal voting," after two black students announced their intent to run for office, Evidence of Continued Need 185-86.

The legislative record also contains examples of overt hostility to black voting power by those who control the electoral process. In Mississippi, for instance, state legislators opposed an early 1990s redistricting plan that would have increased the number of black majority districts, referring to the plan publicly as the "black plan" and privately as the "n***** plan," Modern Enforcement of the Voting Rights Act: Hearing Before the S. Comm. on the Judiciary, 109th Cong. 22 (2006) ("Modern Enforcement") (internal quotation marks omitted); see also S.Rep. No. 109-295, at 14. In Georgia, the state House Reapportionment Committee Chairman "told his colleagues on numerous occasions, 'I don't want to draw n***** districts,'" H.R.Rep. No. 109-478, at 67 (quoting Busbee v. Smith, 549 F.Supp. 494, 501 (D.D.C.1982)). The district court pointed to numerous additional examples of intentional discrimination in the legislative record. See Shelby Cnty., 811 F.Supp.2d at 472-76, 477-79, 480-81, 481-85, 485-87; see also Nw. Austin, 573 F.Supp.2d at 258-62, 289-301.


Shelby County v. Holder, 679 F.3d 848 (D.C. Cir. 2012) [2012 BL 123688]

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Shelby County v. Holder, 679 F.3d 848 (D.C. Cir. 2012) [2012 BL 123688]

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What is the proper amount of time to wait before posting :crickets:?






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SlowFlowPro
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whoa now. many of those are just examples of re-districting that have been slanted to look racist

LA had about 3 plans of congressional redistricting last year or so, and they were ALL called racist, basically

those snippets are like the "white" commentary about ben carson. until you can get into each example, then you shouldn't just take the slanted description. also, i will be that the same things happen basically everywhere






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