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Yes, and the word "progressive" itself originated in the Republican party. What's the point?


No, it didn't. It started during the progressive movement at the turn of the 20th century. It included politicians who ran as members of both parties - Both Roosevelts and Wilson for example.


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institute poll taxes and literary tests to prevent minorities from voting


That and ku kluxing terrorism.

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There is a constant cycle in American history of Democrats rewriting the rules to retain political power.


You can't be serious. The most progressive politicians up to Wilson were all republicans. Are you telling me Lincoln et. al. didn't "rewrite the rules".

This whole party tribalism is just absurd.

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Our state is a great example of that.


Louisiana is corrupt because of good ole boy networking, entrenched for at least 150 years, and the Mississippi river.


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That's a good piece linked by RollTide (ouch, that hurt to type his screen name!).


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I don't think there's one cause of the shift--seems to me rather foolish to argue that the modern dem party was formed out of the civil rights movement and opposition to vietnam. But in terms of the south's voting record, I don't think people voted republican because they were bitter about segregation, I think the modern republican party is a coalition of various forces, evangelicalism being one of the prime ones from 1980-2004 or so.


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That and ku kluxing terrorism.

i'll just throw this out there: robert byrd and possibly al gore, sr.


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No, it didn't. It started during the progressive movement at the turn of the 20th century. It included politicians who ran as members of both parties - Both Roosevelts and Wilson for example.


Sure you are right, it's more complicated than I suggested. But I think the best historical case is that progressivism arose from the whig party.


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Randy Newman wrote a song that you will never hear on the radio anywhere in this country called "We're Rednecks"


I had a Calculus teacher at LSU sing the part about "good ole boys from LSU, went in dumb, came out dumb too" after everyone failed a test. I think I was the only person who knew the song. Thankfully he didn't sing the whole song. That would have been awkward.


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evangelicalism being one of the prime ones from 1980-2004 or so.

i agree, and i'd argue this was possibly more important than the "southern middle class" stated in the Op article

but we're talking about the perception/narrative that the GOP, and namely the southern GOP, is racist, and was formed out of racism. the GOP is still fighting this war, and as a party hasn't really done anything to be called racist anytime recently (if ever)

ON THE OTHER HAND, the democratic party has done PLENTY to be called racist, but this is all spun

it's a battle of perception and the DEMs are better at PR than the GOP


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No doubt the dems are not lily-white by any means. But the implication of the article--that lyndon johnson pushed civil rights and the great society BECAUSE he was racist--is an absurd and possibly malicious argument. It reminds me of today's neo-confederates who argue that lincoln's racism led him to oppose slavery in the west. It's pure sophistry.

And the op's gleaning from that article, that somehow racism isn't still a particular problem in the south, is just silly. Racism is a complicated issue with lots of blame to go around, but to just wish it away is intellectually dishonest at best and nefarious at worst.


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I love that song. Saw Randy Newman play it at LSU in 2005 maybe, or 2006.


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think the modern republican party is a coalition of various forces, evangelicalism being one of the prime ones from 1980-2004 or so.
Way overblown.


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Perhaps evangelicalism is imprecise.

But I think much of republican success during the early 80s was driven by the culture wars--particularly abortion but also a legitimate reaction against the excessive relativism and marxianism of the new left.


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You can't be serious. The most progressive politicians up to Wilson were all republicans. Are you telling me Lincoln et. al. didn't "rewrite the rules".


Wilson, by far the greatest embodiment of progressive ideology, ran as a Democrat and was followed by a line of progressive democrats. Now, there were progressives that ran as Republicans (T. Roosevelt and Hoover) but that doesn't mean Republicans started the movement. Progressivism is an ideology separate and apart from classical conservativism and liberalism.


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No doubt the dems are not lily-white by any means

no party, region, or any other group for that matter, is lily-white. that's my whole issue

the south is racist. the north is racist. the midwest is racist. the west is racist. the southwest is racist

the GOP has racist members. the DEMs have racist members

but these accusations are HEAVILY lofted at the south and GOP. it's bullshite, and being half southern, it is annoying

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But the implication of the article--that lyndon johnson pushed civil rights and the great society BECAUSE he was racist-

i think he pushed it due to political pragmatism, not racism. LBJ was a complete piece of shite (towards everyone who wasn't LBJ) who cared about legacy and power. the CRA allowed him both. he was not a noble political actors by any means

LBJ was a very bad person and a complete slimeball politician



Antonio Moss
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Are you telling me Lincoln et. al. didn't "rewrite the rules".


I'm no great defender of Lincoln, but he's far away from progressivism on the political spectrum.


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Sure you are right, it's more complicated than I suggested. But I think the best historical case is that progressivism arose from the whig party.


That is utter nonsense. The Whigs died out 60 years before the Global Progressive movement. Progressivism stems from European Historicism and scholars application of Darwinism to government structure.


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But the implication of the article--that lyndon johnson pushed civil rights and the great society BECAUSE he was racist--is an absurd and possibly malicious argument.


Not intentionally racist. It was pushed to secure a voting block for Democrat power.


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It was pushed to secure a voting block for Democrat power.

agreed

i really do hope that everyone gets to participate in a democratic campaign in urban areas one day

if it doesn't make you sick to your stomach, then i feel bad for you and your objectivity


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I wonder if it would be possible to determine the negative impact of race-based legislation, i.e. how greatly has race-based legislation increased racism and racial tension.

I don't think it would be possible to perform though. Due to this legislation and the PC crowd/media, most people nowadays err on the side of caution and lie/refrain from speaking the truth out of fear.


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LBJ opposed civil rights and voting rights while Goldwater championed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.


We're still playing the card that because Goldwater voted against the 1964 CRA, that is de facto proof of his racism? It has no merit, and more than that allowed actual democratic party racists to deflect criticisms of their actual racism onto whatever perceived, yet false, racism attributed to Goldwater based on his principled vote.


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