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I was saying he knows better, as in, better than what we (as fans) know including practices, scrimmages, intangibles, etc.

He certainly goes against many baseball norms that you are referencing. That was my point.






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They found it.... in Missouri.








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therick711
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I still don't understand Katz at 5, but I'm fine with either way. A hundred years of history tells you to put your best power hitter at 4... If CPM knows better that's fine, but just saying.


Katz at five, a primer:

Bregman is a phenom and your most balanced hitter. He bats third. He is being protected by the world's greatest hitter. That's Rhymes. Rhymes also produced a ton of runs, and situationally hits better than anyone in the lineup. If you need a ground ball to the right side or a sac fly, he will give it to you. Given his run production and his ability to hit, he is placed in the prime run producing part of the order. He is protected by the brick layer. Katz is more valuable for the protection he provides Raph then the other way around. He doesn't fit higher than third because he lacks speed. He isn't the top run producer so that takes him out of fourth. So the question is do you switch him with Bregman. You would let the freshmen protect the conference's leading hitter last year. You would also be removing the protection from your stud freshmen. It doesn't make sense. If his run production as a result of his power made him a bigger run producer than Raph, you'd be right. As it stands, you want Raph to bat more than Katz. Finally, Katz had almost as many RBI's as Rhymes last year. Part of that is because he hits behind the dude that got on base almost 49% of the time last year. It is mandatory that he bat after Rhymes based on his skill set and Rhymes' ability to get on base.

tl;dr cliff notes, Katz at 5 is not just defensible but a smart use of resources.



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I read it. Very well done, sir.





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he knows better, as in, better than what we (as fans)


well, that aint saying much judging by some of the stuff you see posted on this site.






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re: Mainieri: Stevenson in CF is "fairly permanent"


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I was saying he knows better, as in, better than what we (as fans) know including practices, scrimmages, intangibles, etc.

He certainly goes against many baseball norms that you are referencing. That was my point.


And I don't always agree with the "baseball way" but in this case I just question the move. Katz has started to see less good pitches. I think putting Rhymes behind Katz would push more pitchers to throw to him and Bregman has been getting on base like crazy. I want a guy who can knock him in everytime right behind Breggy.






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I read it. Very well done, sir.








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Katz at five, a primer:

Bregman is a phenom and your most balanced hitter. He bats third. He is being protected by the world's greatest hitter. That's Rhymes. Rhymes also produced a ton of runs, and situationally hits better than anyone in the lineup. If you need a ground ball to the right side or a sac fly, he will give it to you. Given his run production and his ability to hit, he is placed in the prime run producing part of the order. He is protected by the brick layer. Katz is more valuable for the protection he provides Raph then the other way around. He doesn't fit higher than third because he lacks speed. He isn't the top run producer so that takes him out of fourth. So the question is do you switch him with Bregman. You would let the freshmen protect the conference's leading hitter last year. You would also be removing the protection from your stud freshmen. It doesn't make sense. If his run production is because of his power made him a bigger run producer than Raph, you'd be right. As it stands, you want Raph to bat more than Katz. Finally, Katz had almost as many RBI's as Rhymes last year. Part of that is because he hits behind the dude that got on base almost 49% of the time last year. It is mandatory that he bat after Rhymes based on his skill set and Rhymes' ability to get on base.


I certainly do not think having Katz bat behind Rhymes is bad. We have a luxury to have both, but to speak in absolutes like you did in this paragraph isn't right. There is no way to know which one is better, but at least you made valid points on why you think Katz should bat 5th.

Im 100% behind coach in his decisions, but I just find it interesting that he bats his best power hitter 5th.

And it's not like Katz is a homerun or strikeout guy... He has a better average than Rhymes.






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Yeah, he was doing so well early on too. Hopefully he can get it straightened out. His OBP is still pretty high. The thing he was doing best early in the season though was making the pitcher throw him a ton of pitches. It helped all the guys behind him see everything the pitcher had.

I wonder what changed about his approach.


I feel like this is a common misconception. Sciambra literally had 1-2 good games which just so happened to be the 1st 2 games of the season and everyone thought he was a superstar. After that his batting dropped off tremendously and he never got it back.






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therick711
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certainly do not think having Katz bat behind Rhymes is bad. We have a luxury to have both, but to speak in absolutes like you did in this paragraph isn't right. There is no way to know which one is better, but at least you made valid points on why you think Katz should bat 5th.


It is my defense of it and my opinion. If you have an issue with my opinion being phrased in an absolute, I don't know what to tell you. I think I'm right, but what the hell do I know?






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but I just find it interesting that he bats his best power hitter 5th.


not to mention hes not getting as many at bats as people in front of him....bregs leads the team in AB and rightfully so but katz should be tit for tat with him

katz has 15 less at bats than bregman fwiw and 9 less than rhymes



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It is my defense of it and my opinion. If you have an issue with my opinion being phrased in an absolute, I don't know what to tell you. I think I'm right, but what the hell do I know?


You are indeed allowed your opinions, I just find it more effective when everything seems logical and absolutes can make a very well put together reasoning look a little silly. That is my opinion.






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good for PM. Sciambra wasnt hitting, and is really an average outfield. Better suited as a pinch hitter type. Kind of a bruce sprowl clone


I'm gonna text Bruce this line and see what he says, LE.






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I'm gonna text Bruce this line and see what he says, LE.


Tell him to ask Q and Jared Bogany what they think?






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SouthOfSouth
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katz has 15 less at bats than bregman fwiw


Some of those are due to mop up duty subs. As a freshman, coach leaves Bregman in and takes out the likes of Rhymes and Katz. Been a few like thatthis year for sure.






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Addendum to Katz at five:

Based on their 2012 performances, Katz is 4 times more likely to strikeout than Raph is in any given at bat.

I defer to SoS on the heavy statistical lifting, though. Ain't nobody got time for that!



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Some of those are due to mop up duty subs. As a freshman, coach leaves Bregman in and takes out the likes of Rhymes and Katz. Been a few like thatthis year for sure.


this is true, so lets say about 10...but there have been many inning where katz is on deck when the 3rd out is made and RISP. outs are being wasted with the merry go round at lead off






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Tell him to ask Q and Jared Bogany what they think?


I snapped a pic of LE's post and shot it over to Sprowl.






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Based on their 2012 performances, Katz is 4 times more likely to strikeout than Raph is in any given at bat.


I don't understand why last season is so important to your analysis. It's not like we are a week into the 2013 season... We are halfway done.

Kats: 12 strikeouts
Rhymes: 12 strikeouts



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I'm actually interested to know what the dropoff in plate appearances is as you go down the lineup.





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