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The second and more widely accepted theory is that the team was named Redskins to honor its coach Lone Star Dietz, who was a Native American.

That can't be, it is a derogatory racial slur!






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I apologize if you've already stated or implied the answer to this, but do you support the government voiding the trademark, or any other government effort to force the name change?



i think it's an extreme solution to a fairly minor problem. like using a bazooka to wipe out an ant hill.






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But draconian cast the first stone by saying "that's why you have lost the popular vote 5 out of 6 times." He made it about progressivism.


bullshite, a bunch of people in this thread were decrying the "liberals" for pushing this "agenda" before I started posting in it.



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bullshite, a bunch of people in this thread were decrying the "liberals" for pushing this "agenda" before I started posting in it.


You equate disagreement with hypersensitivity about a football team's name to losing popular vote in elections.






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Again, I wasn't the one who made it partisan





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That can't be, it is a derogatory racial slur!


Well it is today. Apparently it wasn't then.

Furthermore, after googling a bit, it appears the term redskin was coined because native americans were associated with using wild animal skins and scalping. Of course the underside of these fresh skins are literally red, full of blood. Thus the term redskin was coined. It was apparently not due to their actual skin color, because actual native skin color is NOT red. Only in modern cultural context can the term redskin be twisted and apparently twisted on purpose to fuel the racism industry.






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"The first known public use of "redskin" in English occurred on Aug. 22, 1812, in Washington at a meeting between Madison and a group of visiting Indian chiefs.

Madison, worried about possible alliances between Indian tribes and the enemy British, delivered a long, stylized plea liberally sprinkled with the expressions "red people," "red tribes" and "my red children."

In response, Little Osage chief Sans Oreilles (No Ears) pledged loyalty despite provocations against his tribe and noted that "I know the manners of the whites and of the red skins." Then Sioux chief French Crow, making much the same argument, said: "I am a red-skin, but what I say is the truth, and notwithstanding I came a long way, I am content, but wish to return from there."

Goddard acknowledged it is impossible to know whether the chiefs said "redskin" in their own languages, but interpreters in many contexts and with many tribes in this time period treated the word as an expression that only Indians used. The same is true of "white-skin."

Three years after the Washington encounter, Black Thunder spoke at Portage des Sioux, and his use of "redskin" made its way into print, as did the words of other chieftains. Once in popular culture, the expression began to lose its ceremonial context -- even as it acquired the connotations that Native Americans have come to loathe.

An 1871 novel spoke of "redskinned devils." The Rocky Mountain News in 1890 described a war on the whites by "every greasy redskin." The Denver Daily News the same year reported a rebellion by "the most treacherous red skins."

Papers submitted in the case against the football team documented humiliating movie references by Hollywood icons Eddie Cantor, Bob Hope, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart and others. In "Northwest Passage," Spencer Tracy, as a colonial explorer who hates Indians, importunes a subordinate to "Get a redskin for me, won't you?"

The final message, Shoemaker suggested, is that "even if the Indians were the first to use it, the origin has no relationship to later use. What happened at the beginning doesn't justify it today."



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If this were a team called the "Blackskins" would that be ok? Of course not. How is this any different?



Yes, let's play this game! How about we change the name to the "Whiteskins." If it's offensive in every case, then surely white people will be offended!

I'll vote first. I think it would be awesome to have a team named the "Whiteskins." Not only would I not be offended, I literally think it would be awesome.






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How about we change the name to the "Whiteskins."


That would be white supremacy.






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I apologize if you've already stated or implied the answer to this, but do you support the government voiding the trademark, or any other government effort to force the name change?



i think it's an extreme solution to a fairly minor problem. like using a bazooka to wipe out an ant hill.


That doesn't answer the question. Well, yes, I suppose it really does.






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Interesting. Seriously.

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"even if the Indians were the first to use it, the origin has no relationship to later use. What happened at the beginning doesn't justify it today."



So, how is it being used today? Is it being used as a racist term? Does the term say, "I am superior to you because you have red skin"? Seriously, how is the term being used today in a derogatory fashion?






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That would be white supremacy.










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How about we change the name to the "Whiteskins."



That would be white supremacy.





Wait, if it's red it's derogatory but if it's white its superior? No don't answer. I know the answer is yes.






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Wait, if it's red it's derogatory but if it's white its superior? No don't answer. I know the answer is yes.




You fricking know that would be the case, too. It sounds idiotic, but it is fo realz.






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Wait, if it's red it's derogatory but if it's white its superior? No don't answer. I know the answer is yes.




You fricking know that would be the case, too. It sounds idiotic, but it is fo realz.



You do realize, holmes, that I can make an argument that supports that point of view.






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An argument can be made for just about anything





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You do realize, holmes, that I can make an argument that supports that point of view.


Sure, and do you realize just how retarded it would be for anyone to find whiteskins supremacist and [insert color]skins offensive?






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So, how is it being used today? Is it being used as a racist term? Does the term say, "I am superior to you because you have red skin"? Seriously, how is the term being used today in a derogatory fashion?




This is the reason this is so laughable. You wouldn't name your team for, and proudly associate yourself and loyalty to, a word that you intend to be derogatory. Is anybody naming their team the Douchebags and sporting Douchebag jerseys and car flags? This is such a case of faux outrage and making an issue out of nothing that it is truly elucidating in respect to the mindset of some on the left.

Just look at how self righteous it makes DraconianSanctions feel in this thread. In reinforces his preconceived notions that he is somehow morally superior than others. Everyone who disagrees with his position is "narrow minded" and "backwards." This is how these people think. It's mind numbing.

Seriously, change the name to Whiteskins. White people will not care and Draconian Sanctions and Co. will be in the twilight zone as they will know damn well white people are not going to be offended and then they would be left either looking like hypocrites or defending a bunch of unangry white people from "racism." It would be fantastic.






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You do realize, holmes, that I can make an argument that supports that point of view.


Of course. You lawyers are trained to argue multiple sides.

My dad is an attorney. I never won an argument while growing up. But I learned quickly to take the 5th. That was my way of saying "kiss my ass".






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do you realize just how retarded it would be for anyone to find whiteskins supremacist and [insert color]skins offensive?


No. No I can't. I work everyday to keep "the Man" off my neck and that of my peeps.






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