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I don't think warrants have ever been required for this reporting. The FBI has prosecuted financial crimes for decades using this.
Then I have a problem with it in its entirety.






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CptBengal
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I don't think warrants have ever been required for this reporting. The FBI has prosecuted financial crimes for decades using this.


hmmm, so the FBI going on a pointed mission to look at an individual is akin to spy agencies (who are not police groups) scouring data using mining algorithms?

tell me more of your lack of understanding on the subject.






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Decatur
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hmmm, so the FBI going on a pointed mission to look at an individual is akin to spy agencies (who are not police groups) scouring data using mining algorithms?


I think the FBI already has full access to this database. They can use their own algorithms if they want to. Again, I'm not so sure the FBI isn't already handling this job just fine.






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Scoop
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I'm sure this would be valuable info for the intel agencies to be able to comb through.


That's not the fricking point, subservient a-hole.

Our closets, basements, computer desks and car trunks would also be valuable for intel agencies to go through.

Is that the standard?

My God almighty have you libs changed your tune.






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Decatur
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I was trying to look at both sides of the issue

I'm not even sure the proposed changes are necessarily needed






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Drew Orleans
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Libs used to be for smaller "social" government and privacy. You hated and didn't trust them.

Now you welcome them with open mouths.



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Jbird
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I was trying to look at both sides of the issue

I'm not even sure the proposed changes are necessarily needed


You wasted number 14000 on this POS?






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DeltaDoc
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This is meh-worthy


Color me shocked at that response.






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Decatur
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Is there a law against what is being proposed? If not, does the benefit of this change outweigh the privacy concerns?

The latter question is worthy of debate.






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Jbird
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Is there a law against what is being proposed? If not, does the benefit of this change outweigh the privacy concerns?

The latter question is worthy of debate


Well considering you fully support murdering Amerikan's and a total shredding of due process I can see why data mining every citizen's personal data would be a MEH moment for you.






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Drew Orleans
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Wait, now your worried about law and rules?





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DeltaDoc
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Is there a law against what is being proposed? If not, does the benefit of this change outweigh the privacy concerns?


I would think that the 4th amendment absolutely protects my finances from view by the Feds unless they have probable cause to view them. If I am not mistaken, this is more bull shite that started under Bush and has been expanded by Obama.

Does the change outweight privacy concerns? Really? The FBI should not have this authority absent a court order as to the individual being looked at based on probable cause...let alone other agencies.

Where does it end, Decatur? At what point, in your opinion, has it gone too far? Are you fine with Jeb Bush overseeing a Justice Department with these capabilities? What about Sarah Palin? What about Glenn Beck? Point being, it has nothing to do with who is in charge and what their beliefs are and everything to do with freedom from unwanted searches.






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Decatur
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Well considering you fully support murdering Amerikan's and a total shredding of due process


If an American has joined enemy forces at war with the United States then they become a military target under the laws of war. If we can't take in someone as big as al-Awlaki by other means, then he's got to go by any means. I don't want to wait for him to have someone blow up a plane first.






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Jbird
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If an American has joined enemy forces at war with the United States then they become a military target under the laws of war. If we can't take in someone as big as al-Awlaki by other means, then he's got to go by any means. I don't want to wait for him to have someone blow up a plane first.


So your fricked up threshold is a guy that got whacked in Yemen with his 16yr old kid? WTF does that have to do with your fricking Savior Odrama whacking a guy in BR on a Saturday night?






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Decatur
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I would think that the 4th amendment absolutely protects my finances from view by the Feds unless they have probable cause to view them. If I am not mistaken, this is more bull shite that started under Bush and has been expanded by Obama.


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§310. Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (a) In General.—The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network established by order of the Secretary of the Treasury (Treasury Order Numbered 105–08, in this section referred to as “FinCEN”) on April 25, 1990, shall be a bureau in the Department of the Treasury. (b) Director.— (1) Appointment.—The head of FinCEN shall be the Director, who shall be appointed by the Secretary of the Treasury. (2) Duties and powers.—The duties and powers of the Director are as follows: (A) Advise and make recommendations on matters relating to financial intelligence, financial criminal activities, and other financial activities to the Under Secretary of the Treasury for Enforcement. (B) Maintain a government-wide data access service, with access, in accordance with applicable legal requirements, to the following: (i) Information collected by the Department of the Treasury, including report information filed under subchapter II of chapter 53 of this title (such as reports on cash transactions, foreign financial agency transactions and relationships, foreign currency transactions, exporting and importing monetary instruments, and suspicious activities), chapter 2 of title I of Public Law 91–508, and section 21 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act. (ii) Information regarding national and international currency flows. (iii) Other records and data maintained by other Federal, State, local, and foreign agencies, including financial and other records developed in specific cases. (iv) Other privately and publicly available information. (C) Analyze and disseminate the available data in accordance with applicable legal requirements and policies and guidelines established by the Secretary of the Treasury and the Under Secretary of the Treasury for Enforcement to— (i) identify possible criminal activity to appropriate Federal, State, local, and foreign law enforcement agencies; (ii) support ongoing criminal financial investigations and prosecutions and related proceedings, including civil and criminal tax and forfeiture proceedings; (iii) identify possible instances of noncompliance with subchapter II of chapter 53 of this title, chapter 2 of title I of Public Law 91–508, and section 21 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act to Federal agencies with statutory responsibility for enforcing compliance with such provisions and other appropriate Federal regulatory agencies; (iv) evaluate and recommend possible uses of special currency reporting requirements under section 5326; (v) determine emerging trends and methods in money laundering and other financial crimes; (vi) support the conduct of intelligence or counterintelligence activities, including analysis, to protect against international terrorism; and (vii) support government initiatives against money laundering. (D) Establish and maintain a financial crimes communications center to furnish law enforcement authorities with intelligence information related to emerging or ongoing investigations and undercover operations. (E) Furnish research, analytical, and informational services to financial institutions, appropriate Federal regulatory agencies with regard to financial institutions, and appropriate Federal, State, local, and foreign law enforcement authorities, in accordance with policies and guidelines established by the Secretary of the Treasury or the Under Secretary of the Treasury for Enforcement, in the interest of detection, prevention, and prosecution of terrorism, organized crime, money laundering, and other financial crimes. (F) Assist Federal, State, local, and foreign law enforcement and regulatory authorities in combatting the use of informal, nonbank networks and payment and barter system mechanisms that permit the transfer of funds or the equivalent of funds without records and without compliance with criminal and tax laws. (G) Provide computer and data support and data analysis to the Secretary of the Treasury for tracking and controlling foreign assets. (H) Coordinate with financial intelligence units in other countries on anti-terrorism and anti-money laundering initiatives, and similar efforts. (I) Administer the requirements of subchapter II of chapter 53 of this title, chapter 2 of title I of Public Law 91–508, and section 21 of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act, to the extent delegated such authority by the Secretary of the Treasury. (J) Such other duties and powers as the Secretary of the Treasury may delegate or prescribe.


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Where does it end, Decatur?


Wherever we all agree it ends






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Jbird
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Wherever we all agree it ends


How so?






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Drew Orleans
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So I guess it's when the idiots decide that it's enough so I'll ask...


Decatur, when is it too far for you?

Give an example...






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Decatur
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Decatur, when is it too far for you?


When is what too far? Information sharing between government agencies?






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Jbird
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When is what too far? Information sharing between government agencies?


Obtuse and an a-hole is no way to go thru life Rusty.






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Drew Orleans
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Fantastic example?

I completely agree?

I'm gonna start calling you O.






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