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MStant1
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An extreme libertarian would ask why not? Kids consent to all kinds of things.



No, they wouldn't.






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Zed
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Dumb isn't the word I would use. More a lack of comprehension.
Are any of our primate relatives above childlike intelligence? Could a really smart animal effectively give consent?






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Antonio Moss
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An extreme libertarian would ask why not?


Link?

The argument in libertarian circles is not whether the idea that children cannot consent to certain activities, but rather, is an arbitrary line (such as age of 18) superior to judging actions on individuals basis.






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OMLandshark
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Incest- Yes
Beastiality- No, an animal can not consent.






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Scruffy
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Assuming parties in both cases are willing...like a REALLY lovable and obedient lab?

can't be called bestiality without having the best amirite?
Sure.
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But seriously, at what point do you become uncomfortable with freedom?
When it impacts others.






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theunknownknight
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Like what?


What channels to watch
What food to eat
What toys they want for Christmas
What candy to buy

This modern 18 year old requirement is only like 60 years old.

Don't libertarians want to be more like the founding fathers intended? They were ok with screwing 12 year olds.






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theunknownknight
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When it impacts others.
every transaction impacts others. Are you not ok with being free to interact with others in any way?






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Scruffy
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every transaction impacts others. Are you not ok with being free to interact with others in any way?
Edit: When it negatively impacts others against their will.






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theunknownknight
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Link?


You don't think an anarchist would be okay with someone getting in on with kids? He wouldn't be much of an anarchist.






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OMLandshark
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How do you know dogs/cats aren't self aware? They seem pretty aware of themselves when danger comes around them. They understand many of our words. Many dogs have been known to do self-sacrificial acts.


It doesn't matter. My dog can't directly tell me "I want you to frick me." Therefore it's not consentual.






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theunknownknight
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Edit: When it negatively impacts others against their will.


That makes more sense. What about speech that offends people?






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theunknownknight
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It doesn't matter. My dog can't directly tell me "I want you to frick me." Therefore it's not consentual.


What if he humps you and you like it?






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Patton
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Untill dogs and other animals can speak English, than no





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Antonio Moss
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You don't think an anarchist would be okay with someone getting in on with kids?


That's an anarchist, not a libertarian. You said libertarian.

Why not address what I posted about the actual discussion within libertarian circles?






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Scruffy
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What about speech that offends people?
Speech doesn't negatively impact the livelihood of others. There is no physical damage.

Some could argue that there is psychological damage though. That is a hit-or-miss situation, IMO.

Understand, I am not a full-blown anarchist. I consider myself a realist. These situations, when bathed under the light of reality, tend to show which hold water. There are some that do and some that don't.

Your idea of lumping all libertarians and anarchists together is no better than lumping progressive liberals with classical liberals, or lumping neocons with true conservatives.




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NaturalBeam
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You're not good at this. Consent is all that should be required. A 16 year old can't consent. An animal can't consist. If you and your 19 year old bro want to frick or get married, go for it. Next question.





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theunknownknight
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That's an anarchist, not a libertarian.

You said libertarian.

Why not address what I posted about the actual discussion within libertarian circles?


There is a spectrum of libertarianism. The extreme of which touches on anarchy. I thought you'd know this.

Your answer also fails to really address why it was ok for kids to consent to marriage over 60 years ago but not now. Are kids just dumber now?



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theunknownknight
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You're not good at this. Consent is all that should be required. A 16 year old can't consent. An animal can't consist. If you and your 19 year old bro want to frick or get married, go for it. Next question.


So the founding fathers were pedophiles? Why should we obey a document written by such sick twisted men?






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NaturalBeam
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So the founding fathers were pedophiles?
A good number of them, probably. Same could be said for today.

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Why should we obey a document written by such sick twisted men?
Did their condition of pedophilia affect their ability to write this country's founding documents? What does one have to do with the other?






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theunknownknight
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Your idea of lumping all libertarians and anarchists together is no better than lumping progressive liberals with classical liberals, or lumping neocons with true conservatives.


Well the libertarians aren't doing a very good job of un-lumping themselves from anarchists imo. So why should I bother?






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