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kenny wilkerson 4.0

15. New Orleans Saints - We'll look at three 3-4 outside pass rushers that are available first. Texas A&M's Damontre Moore, LSU's Barkevious Mingo, Georgia's Jarvis Jones are the second wave of elite pass rushers in the draft, behind Ansah, Jordan and Werner. Even with Werner perceptibly dropping down published draft boards, the Saints may not consider him given his lack of mobility in space to play 3-4 OLB.

Texas A&M LB/DE Damontre Moore is also sliding thanks to a poor combine performance which featured only 12 reps of 225 and a terrible 4.95 40-yard run. Desperate for a pro day rebound, Moore's lack of intensity is being scrutinized as well, and the favorable comparisons to former teammate Von Miller are fading.

Mingo we would have no surprise or doubt about at this pick. The local product would be a big hit for the team off field and provide uncoachable speed from the 3-4 outside linebacker. The knock against Mingo is that he didn't play much as a stand-up defender, instead with a hand on the ground.

That's not an issue for redshirt junior Georgia LB Jarvis Jones, who seems the perfect fit at 3-4 outside linebacker. Jones is sliding out of the top five because of a attention-drawing neck injury suffered in 2009 as a true freshman at USC. The spinal stenosis diagnosis has been checked out extensively since the NFL Scouting Combine, and is being used as leverage to lower his draft stock. Despite a good diagnosis on the neck, he's dropping because of those concerns. His smaller frame doesn't have great lower-body strength yet, but really, the legitimate gripes about him as a top 3-4 OLB prospect are few. A playmaker, elite athlete with arms like an offensive tackle, Jones would be ready to contribute immediately as an edge rusher and push for starts immediately, and has a more complete game than LSU DE Barkevious Mingo, who was our pick in version 3.0.

In fact, it is Jones that draws more comparisons to Von Miller than Moore. But like Lotulelei, each team's medical grade of Jones will determine his draft status more than anything else. If a team doesn't consider those health issues to be a problem, we wouldn't be surprised to see Jones go as high as #2 overall to the Jaguars.

Other prospects the Saints should consider are Mizzou DT Sheldon Richardson, Purdue DT Kawann Short and UCLA DE Datone Jones, who would line up at defensive end in the 3-4. Cornerbacks Desmond Trufant of Washington and Johnthan Banks of Mississippi State couldn't be argued against either, with Saints starters Jabari Greer aging and Patrick Robinson flailing. The Saints have very little young depth at the position as well, given 2012 late round pick Corey White's terrible rookie year.

We've talked a lot about offense, but offensive tackle could be a major consideration depending on free agency's developments. But the top offensive line prospects are gone. Next up would be Alabama's DJ Fluker would be a better fit on the right side than free agent Jermon Bushrod's left tackle spot, but it isn't like right tackle wasn't a major ongoing concern for the Saints in 2012. Notre Dame TE Tyler Eifert can't be ignored either, as the draft's top tight end would give the Saints leverage in star Jimmy Graham's upcoming contract negotiations.

In this mock draft, no quarterbacks have been selected yet, an outcome that could give the Saints a golden opportunity to trade down and add rookies to a five-man draft class. Any draft pick on the defensive side should be ready to play - this is no year for developmental projects. Moving out of 15 and adding more picks to history's worst defense should be strongly considered.

We're not so adventurous to predict trades, so the tremendous value Georgia LB Jarvis Jones is the pick here.

-----choosing between Jones and Mingo would be pretty rich. Can't see Werner to NYJ. Jones or Mingo should go there.






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I hope the Saints draft Kenny Vaccaro. As an LSU fan I love Mingo, but he's no sure thing. The DT from Utah isn't either, w/ the health concerns. Obviously the Saints can use help at every defensive position, but considering young guys like Hicks at DT, Gallette and Wilson at OLB, and others I'm sure I'm forgetting, I think perhaps the biggest need is at safety -- and Vaccaro appears to have less question marks than the DT's and LBs likely to be available when the Saints pick.





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I hope the Saints draft Kenny Vaccaro.

Id only be happy with this if we moved back and picked up a second. Even then, I'd rather use the second or 3rd on a safety.






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s the draft's top tight end would give the Saints leverage in star Jimmy Graham's upcoming contract negotiations.

1. I can't see us using a 1st round just to have leverage against Graham for his new contract. Obviously that wouldn't be the only reason we draft Eifert, but that was dumb of him to make that his main point.

2. The Saints would be stupid to use another player as leverage against Jimmy Graham. Loomis should be fired on the spot if that's how it goes down. "Hey we don't have to pay you big money. If we lose you it's ok, we just spent a 1st round on a rookie."



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I look at the Saints' roster and I see a guy like Martez Wilson that I think (hope) can have a breakout year as a 3-4 OLB -- he has great size and speed, and it seems to me Mingo is in the same mold -- of course, can't have enough speedy OLBs in a 3-4 I suppose. I then look at Roman Harper and while I don't claim to be an expert by any means, he always seems to be horribly out of position in coverage and a step (or two)slow. I'm not as down on Jenkins as others, but, I think the safety position is in need of a serious upgrade.





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blueslover
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good depth at safety in this draft class

at #75 you might find-

Jonathan Cyprien
Shawn Williams
Phillip Thomas

also worth a look-

Bacarri Rambo
Shamarko Thomas






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throwing in an amazing story from deadspin here

Two NFL GMs private convo tapped by pranksters!

adding it cuz it makes the Bills taking a QB in the 1st much more surer to me

Other notable comments as well






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LINK





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ya, added for the many non MSBers here

Nix sounds like the old fart he is.

I'm penciling Geno Smith in no lower than #8 now






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Shamarko Thomas

Everything I hear about the Bills is there taking Nassib in 2nd. Might trade back there pick. But they want Nassib.



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http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Mock-Draft-Version-80.html

15. New Orleans Saints: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia, Junior: While nose tackle is the most important position in a 34 defense, without an elite one available in the Draft the Saints upgrade their outside pass rush. Jones has the edge pass rush skills to be a high end starting outside linebacker in their new defensive scheme if he plays hard every snap.






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No way Jarvis Jones drops to 15?

I would go crazy if we landed him.






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jamal
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I think the pick will be.........Hankins from The Ohio State





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Chad504boy
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blues tell me about bennie logan and how he projects as a 3-4 DE.





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I was just playing. I honestly dont know what the heck we will do. I would love to here yall Opinions though.





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bennie logan and how he projects as a 3-4 DE


all I have is what scouting reports say. Most project him as a great 3 tech DT in a 4-3 scheme. Definitely has the bulk though for 3-4 DE. Dunno if he could be an overwhelming must-take value at #75. 4th Rd could be but don't think he would last that long.

Sometimes players switching from where or how they have played works smoothly. Other times not so well. Most prolly agree we have suffered from Jenkins not living up to the projection at safety after being a CB.






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Im not saying Logan was as good as Dorsey or can play in a 3-4 DE scheme because I dont know, but he was similar in Dorsey in a few things. Hes built like him, and was a good pass rusher from the interior at LSU. Dorsey was a DT that moved to a 3-4 DE. Not saying Logans game translates like Dorseys, but they have some similar traits.

Like blues said, Logan is projected as a solid 3 tech DT and I think whoever gets him will be pleased and will have a solid contributor.






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GBN update

1 Kansas City Luke Joeckel
OT
Texas A&M
2
Jacksonville Geno Smith
QB
West Virginia
3
Oakland Eric Fisher
OT
Central Michigan
4
Philadelphia
Jarvis Jones
LB
Georgia
5
Detroit
Dee Milliner
CB
Alabama
6 Cleveland
Ziggy Ansah
LB
BYU
7 Arizona Lane Johnson
OT
Oklahoma
8
Buffalo Chance Warmack
OG
Alabama
9
NY Jets Dion Jordan
LB
Oregon
10
Tennessee
Sharrif Floyd
DT
Florida
11
San Diego Jonathan Cooper
OG
North Carolina
12
Miami Xavier Rhodes
CB
Florida State
13
Tampa Bay
Bjoern Werner
DE
Florida State
14 Carolina Cordarelle Patterson
WR
Tennessee
15
New Orleans
Barkevious Mingo
LB
LSU


this is of 20 mocks a couple of weeks ago.

I think Mingo as a pick has increased and Jordan is way lowest of those top 4.






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LSU Nguyener
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Bleacher Report just posted a surprisingly decent mock

1. Menelik Watson OT, Fl St
3. Brandon Williams NT, Missouri Southern
4. Chase Thomas OLB, Stan
5. Dion Sims TE, Mich St
6. Sean Renfree QB, Duke






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blueslover
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no grief for ya LSU Nguyener cuz ya might not know...
bleacher report is nothing more than posters like here. Some might actually know a thing or two but by and large it is fodder. You'll catch some flak using it as a reference.

as to it, #15 is quite a reach for Watson. He's marginally 1st Rd at all. Williams is a fit. Thomas too. Dunno Sims but I've mocked a TE 4th-6th Rd myself. Renfree is a possibility. I'd like a 4th or 5th Rd QB with more upside myself.






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