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Lin and Asik have awful contract therefore the Hornets.





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saintsfan22
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Lin and Asik have awful contract therefore the Hornets.


Their contracts are good this year and next then they balloon in 2014 but they're both expiring so they'll be trade chips.






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TigerinATL
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Their contracts are good this year and next then they balloon in 2014 but they're both expiring so they'll be trade chips.


They don't balloon for Houston. The poison pill loop hole they used forces Houston to average their deals against the cap, so each is about an $8 million cap hit each year. I'm not sure how that works if they decide to trade them later.






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corndeaux
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cp 3 Jefferson 




CP3 would be great, but it aint happening. Jefferson is like most other name FA this summer- nice player, but you're capping out the team for a 6 seed over the contract.

They are getting another top 5 pick this summer. They will be better next year, but by no means a playoff lock. It is Anthony Davis's team and he's still learning. Why is everyone in a hurry to go all in on one guy (Smith, Jefferson, Pekovic) who wont make the team a contender and will limit future moves?

Plenty of people here wanted Rudy Gay. Since his trade, he's been awful. 308 FGA, 314 pts (point of reference- EG has 368 FGA, 432 pts). Getting a name player is nice, but capping out to do so is dumb at this point. The Cavs, Magic, and Hornets made dumb "star" signings that killed their options and hopes of keeping James, Howard, Paul.

The rebuild needs to be on Davis's schedule and it needs to be sustainable. Forcing it too early will hurt the team in the long run.






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HeadyBrosevelt
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The rebuild needs to be on Davis's schedule and it needs to be sustainable. Forcing it too early will hurt the team in the long run


I am not disagreeing with you, but people seem overconfident in this "OKC" blueprint. The Thunder got extremely lucky in their draft picks. I don't see anyone in this draft who could be to Anthony Davis what Westbrook is to Durant.

ETA: Most recent championships were won via free agency, with the exception of the Spurs



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TigerinATL
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but people seem overconfident in this "OKC" blueprint.


The OKC blueprint is really the Spurs blueprint. Draft your 3 stars and then put role players around them. That's really the only model small market teams can follow. I'd hate to follow the Houston model, it paid off but that was ridiculously risky to not tank and hope a good superstar would be dumped. Usually it's the bad ones that get dumped and the good ones go where they want to go.

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Why is everyone in a hurry to go all in on one guy (Smith, Jefferson, Pekovic) who wont make the team a contender and will limit future moves?


Because this being year 3 of Monty and Demps is making it hard for many people to accept that this is year one of a rebuild and that next year will be year 2 of a rebuild. I'm sure Houston going from bad to good overnight won't help, but people need to realize that Houston is in year 3 or 4 of their post Yao/TMac rebuild.






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corndeaux
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Most recent championships were won via free agency, with the exception of the Spurs


The only big FA I can think of who won a title is Shaq. There has been plenty of player movement, but those have been sign and trades. That is a big difference: S/T allow players to get max $ and max years from their new teams.

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I don't see anyone in this draft who could be to Anthony Davis what Westbrook is to Durant.


Neither do I, but that guy isn't in FA either. I'm not saying they need to tank or they shouldn't go after big name FA, just they shouldn't make a max type signing simply because they the have cap space to do so.

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Because this being year 3 of Monty and Demps is making it hard for many people to accept that this is year one of a rebuild and that next year will be year 2 of a rebuild.








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SlowFlowPro
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Why is everyone in a hurry to go all in on one guy (Smith, Jefferson, Pekovic) who wont make the team a contender and will limit future moves?

you NEED to get "that guy" right and our cap opportunities lesson each year (with gordon/davis making more money, plus another high draft pick, etc)

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. The Cavs, Magic, and Hornets made dumb "star" signings that killed their options and hopes of keeping James, Howard, Paul.

not true on many levels






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SlowFlowPro
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The only big FA I can think of who won a title is Shaq. There has been plenty of player movement, but those have been sign and trades. That is a big difference: S/T allow players to get max $ and max years from their new teams.

dude let's not act like lebron/wade going to the heat wasn't a free agent move

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Neither do I, but that guy isn't in FA either. I'm not saying they need to tank or they shouldn't go after big name FA, just they shouldn't make a max type signing simply because they the have cap space to do so.

we need to acquire quality pieces. those cost money. a lot of money






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eumont
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The only big FA I can think of who won a title is Shaq
ummmmm lebron??






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GynoSandberg
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corndeaux
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you NEED to get "that guy" right


Yep. And "that guy" doesn't exist in this FA pool.

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and our cap opportunities lesson each year


That is not true. If they are smart they can maintain flexibility for the next several years and still be able to get "that guy."

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not true on many levels


Larry Hughes, Rashard Lewis, and Peja beg to differ.

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dude let's not act like lebron/wade going to the heat wasn't a free agent move


would lebron have the same contract if he had just walked to miami?

even allowing for james to be a FA signing, the hornets should follow a model that has worked twice (with two of the top 10-20 players of all time) over the past 25 years?

and they should shove a max level deal at guy not worthy of one because they have the space? at a time when everyone is spooked by the new tax rules?



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we need to acquire quality pieces. those cost money. a lot of money


yep. obviously you have to spend. and they need more good players across the entire roster. but why put all your eggs in an imperfect basket this summer when the roster has so many holes?

the original question was what big money FA is out there that actually is worth the max money you want to spend? i'd love to hear how you think they should spend the money






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GynoSandberg
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Exactly what players do you have your eye on in free agency in the coming years?

None of the huge names are going to come here. Other teams besides New Orleans have money to spend. You're going to be picking from Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, Pekovi type players after the Lebrons and Wade chose big markets.

This "lets wait 3 years to contend" BS is just going to get people fired and fans will continue to car less and less when they are watching Roger mason jr and robin Lopez go against Dwight Howard and Kobe.

We will have to get our studs through the draft. We have to put good players around them while they continue to grow.. That's the bottom line.






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corndeaux
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Haven't a clue on coming years FA. Obviously the draft will be most vital, but I think they are much more likely to find what they are looking for through a trade rather than FA.

I'm not, and I don't think anyone with a serious opinion is either, advocating that the team must wait 3 years before deciding to do anything. I'm all for upgrades this summer, all for seeing what Vasquez, Lopez, and Gordon can get in a trade.

I just think that the money available should be spent on a few mid level or two Anderson type deals, that are easily moved if the right opportunity arises, rather than all in on one guy.

You admit that the FAs that will be interested in coming to NO are second tier. I agree. I just don't want to pay second tier guys first tier money. There is no joy there for a small market team.

One final question, do you think that any one of the FA mentioned frequently around here (Smith, Jefferson, or Pekovic) will make this team a contender within 3 years?






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GynoSandberg
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You admit that the FAs that will be interested in coming to NO are second tier. I agree. I just don't want to pay second tier guys first tier money. There is no joy there for a small market team.


2nd tier as in not In LBJs tier. Which has like 8 players. I'm not sure where you are getting this whole pay 2nd rate guys big time money. A few years around $10m is not going to kill the team.


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One final question, do you think that any one of the FA mentioned frequently around here (Smith, Jefferson, or Pekovic) will make this team a contender within 3 years?


Who the frick knows? That certainly wouldn't be the only move they make. It would certainly be a step in the right direction. You seem to have them cemented in the 6th seed or lower if they signed one of those guys when you don't even know what else they would do. You don't even know what those guys would cost. I'm sure no one would want to overpay them.

Smith will be overpaid and won't come here. Pek and Al Jeff could be possible and they would be well worth the money. Of course you think Davis is a center so you think they wouldn't be worth it






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TigerinATL
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I'm not sure where you are getting this whole pay 2nd rate guys big time money. A few years around $10m is not going to kill the team.



I think the important thing is to not over pay. Anyone not named Anthony Davis is just a future trade asset. Demps needs to acquire as many below market value players as he can.






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SlowFlowPro
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Demps needs to acquire as many below market value players as he can.

for how long?

no team has ever won a title accumulating "players below market value"






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GynoSandberg
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Anderson probably has the best contract in the nba of non rookies. In fact, I can't think of any other good ones. It's not really feasible to fill a roster with cheap overachievers.





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TigerinATL
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"players below market value"


Just to clarify I don't mean you can't go after big money guys, I just don't want to end up in a situation where you get stuck with a player because he's not worth his contract. We already have a potential guy like that in Gordon, the last thing you want to do is completely screw the early years of AD by adding another bad near max deal. That being said, most of the 2nd tier guys we're talking about are young enough that they shouldn't be untradeable. But Gordon has reduced Demps margin for error.






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Colonel Flagg
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The OKC blueprint is really the Spurs blueprint. Draft your 3 stars and then put role players around them.


I think it is a slap in the face to the Spurs to say OKC used the same model.

OKC:
Durant #2 Overall
Westbrook #4 Overall
Harden #3 Overall
Ibaka #24 Overall

SAS:
Duncan #1 Overall
Parker #28 Overall
Ginobli #57 Overall
Splitter #28 Overall






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