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Tigerfan7218
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After all, he has that weak, non-American playing background


That's not what he said ever, but good try. He said it takes a year of adjustment from playing amateur ball overseas to playing college ball in the states. And in general, it does.






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thunderbird1100
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That's not what he said ever, but good try. He said it takes a year of adjustment from playing amateur ball overseas to playing college ball in the states. And in general, it does.



Just dont reply to him, we dont need another page worth of meaningless posts.






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fjohns1
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Quarterman will play 2 guard, no doubt about it. He's a scorer not a freaking point guard. Dudes 6't5 or 6'6 he ain't playing the point!


i say the same thing when i look at his highlights.






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thunderbird1100
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Quarterman will play 2 guard, no doubt about it. He's a scorer not a freaking point guard. Dudes 6't5 or 6'6 he ain't playing the point!


i say the same thing when i look at his highlights.










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SouthOfSouth
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In Coach Jones' offense, I don't see a big difference in any on the guards. Carmouche leads the teams in assists on as many occasions as Hickey.

He is big into interchangable parts. He wants his forwards to play 3-5 and his guards to play 1 or 2. I dont think it matters if he lines up at SG or PG because they are basically the same position. All that changes is who brings the ball to the half court line. From there its game on.



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CourseyCorridor
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That's not what he said ever, but good try. He said it takes a year of adjustment from playing amateur ball overseas to playing college ball in the states. And in general, it does.


Actually, he qualified it by saying because high school ball over there is terrible.

That's where the bone of contention is.

The point is, no it's not terrible and, further, the kids that play American college basketball from over there are usually not the elite 17-18 year olds anyway. Most of those take the money and play club ball (and are usually already doing that at 18).

It's like if you had a Rivals 100 for 18-year-old Europeans, maybe 10 of the 100 would want to play college basketball in the states, the other 90 will just advance up the club system and often get drafted to the NBA as 18, 19 year old bench players on European Club teams -- you ever notice how many Euros are drafted averaging 5 ppg for some Euroclub?

European kids grow up playing against these guys and it's world class competition. Yes, there's an adjustment coming here at any level because of language and style of play, but the biggest thing to understand is internationals that play college ball aren't, generally, the top-tier players over there. You don't get the Euro Nerlens Noel in the college game. Their expectations should be treated as such.


Hammink is adjusting about the same way a 2-star/3-star American player would in the same circumstance, which is what he would be if he had gone to U-High instead of a basketball academy in Spain.

I will say this: Hammink is not from one of the better basketball playing countries. However, like I said, he went to a school in Spain and probably played better competition than most American players see in high school, including touring the U.S. every year.















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CourseyCorridor


Please stop posting. Start a new thread about it on MSB if the topic is that important to you. It is no longer relevant in this thread.






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Tigerfan7218
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Go away, you are like the 12 year old who hears one little thing that's wrong with a statement and just won't drop it.






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CourseyCorridor
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Actually, the fail is on you if you haven't noticed that a lot of people in the scouting community think of Quarterman as a wing and he gets compared to players like Jeremy Lamb and Evan Turner quite often.

He's a combo guard for his high school team.

No doubt, Johnny is taking him as a PG because of his desire to have a big point, but I think versatility is a key here. I think Johnny would like to be able to have a team that can switch on all screens (especially in this era where everybody uses mostly ball screen action for some reason), so having a team with five athletes that are 6-5 to 6-8 or so, all long and with good lateral movement, is desirable. A lineup that's 6-5, 6-6, 6-6, 6-7 and 6-8 would be preferable to your traditional pg, 2g, sf, pf, C structure to Johnny, I think.

In other words, Quarterman is more desirable for his versatility than his pure PG skill, I think.

Jordan's versatile. Jarrell's versatile, Quarterman's versatile, Hammink is versatile. These are the kind of players he wants, I think.







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CourseyCorridor
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Please stop posting. Start a new thread about it on MSB if the topic is that important to you. It is no longer relevant in this thread.


As long as people post responses that are factually incorrect, I'll post a reply. For example, the last poster misrepresented what I was replying to, so that warranted a reply.

Other than that, I'm happy to drop it.







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SouthOfSouth
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No doubt, Johnny is taking him as a PG because of his desire to have a big point, but I think versatility is a key here. I think Johnny would like to be able to have a team that can switch on all screens (especially in this era where everybody uses mostly ball screen action for some reason), so having a team with five athletes that are 6-5 to 6-8 or so, all long and with good lateral movement, is desirable. A lineup that's 6-5, 6-6, 6-6, 6-7 and 6-8 would be preferable to your traditional pg, 2g, sf, pf, C structure to Johnny, I think.

In other words, Quarterman is more desirable for his versatility than his pure PG skill, I think.

Jordan's versatile. Jarrell's versatile, Quarterman's versatile, Hammink is versatile. These are the kind of players he wants, I think.


You will not find a single person to disagree with you on this. But he will be coming in as a point guard for the reasons you just posted. So what's the problem...






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CourseyCorridor
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The point is, people thinking he's a 2 is not "fail." It's legitimate and a lot of people in the scouting community might agree that it's his better position.

He's a kid where it's definitely possible that he's brought in at the 1, but eventually finds he's more comfortable and better on the wing. Not that I necessarily expect that, but if somebody looks at film of him and sees an SG, that's more than understandable.

It's not like he's Jason Kidd coming out of HS. He's a combo guard type that LSU projects as a PG.






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SouthOfSouth
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The point is, people thinking he's a 2 is not "fail." It's legitimate and a lot of people in the scouting community might agree that it's his better position.


I don't believe anyone said he isn't a two. People said he is being brought here to be a 1. I know he can play 2 and at times will, but I think everyone is simply making the point that he is being brought in to be the backup pointguard and point of the future.






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CourseyCorridor
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OK. If you say that's the point of the double face-palm Star Trek meme calling two people agreeing that Quarterman should play the two a "double fail," than ... OK.








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thunderbird1100
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OK. If you say that's the point of the double face-palm Star Trek meme calling two people agreeing that Quarterman should play the two a "double fail," than ... OK.



They were saying he's a 2-guard and NOT a PG. I already said he'll play both positions, but he is absolutely being brought in to be the backup PG to Hickey first and foremost. He's a good ball handler.

Please vacate the thread.






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CourseyCorridor
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They were saying he's a 2-guard and NOT a PG. I already said he'll play both positions, but he is absolutely being brought in to be the backup PG to Hickey first and foremost. He's a good ball handler.


I'm just saying it's legitimate to think after evaluating him, he'll be a wing, period. The posters understand he's being recruited to help at the 1, but they just see that going by the wayside and he'll be a 2, that's all.

That's hardly fail. I wonder about this myself. Will he really be a 1 or will he be a guy that does no more than give you spot minutes at the position. It seems to me his strength is his instincts to score. He can finish at the rim, has a mid-range game, he can shoot.

I can see in two years Quarterman starting on the wing averaging 15-18 ppg and people saying "Hey, remember when they signed him as a point?"

Not necessarily, but I can see that happening very easily.






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thunderbird1100
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I'm just saying it's legitimate to think after evaluating him, he'll be a wing, period


Not for next season at least, because then we have NO BACKUP PG. Also, dont even think about suggesting Collins as a legit backup PG. Quarterman is being brought in to backup Hickey first and foremost, as several other posters already pointed out. Yes, he will play other positions as JJ plays a lot of guys at different spots, but he is THE backup PG for next season.


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The posters understand he's being recruited to help at the 1


Really? Did you read their posts?

Oauron
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Quartermann was recruited to be a PG


Ryan3232
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incorrect.

Quarterman is 6'5. Go ahead and count him the backup wing it doesnt matter.


Tigerfan2211
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Quarterman will play 2 guard, no doubt about it. He's a scorer not a freaking point guard.


^ quoting this...
fjohns1
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i say the same thing when i look at his highlights.







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tigers32
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This thread is something else. I agree though. Quarterman will see time at PG next season. Jones' system requires alot of movable parts. So, its not really important what 'position' Quarterman plays.





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CourseyCorridor
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Yeah, I was defending Tigerfan2211 and fjohns1. Those were the posters I was referring to because those were the two you were replying to. What's your point?






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