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MrCarton
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What is your "prognostication" of when land automobiles will be replaced by flying ones?



Don't want to deal with drunk drivers ABOVE my house. What a nightmare that would be.






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Walking the Earth
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But the more the machines learn,


But are they really "learning" or are they just getting better at data sorting and pattern recognition?

That's pretty fantastic by itself and could even be revolutionary if that progress continues but like I asked you many pages ago, can a computer tell me whether or not Hamlet was truly insane? Are we really any closer to having that than we were a decade or even two decades ago?

That matters.



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onmymedicalgrind
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No no, you're not getting it. Each will come chauffeured with its one robot, and there will be this new anti-crash technology by then that'll make accidents a remnant of the past. Technology advances fast!!





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SmackoverHawg
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What is your "prognostication" of when land automobiles will be replaced by flying ones?





Don't want to deal with drunk drivers ABOVE my house. What a nightmare that would be.






They will be self driving. Machines are infallable, and I hate driving. Unless it's my jeep off road, I'd rather let Watson handle it. Then we won't need DD's.






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MrCarton
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That's pretty fantastic by itself and could even be revolutionary if that progress continues but like I asked you many pages ago, can a computer tell me whether or not Hamlet was truly insane? Are we really any closer to having that than we were a decade or even two decades ago?


A machine won't recognize insanity. It will recognize quantitative data. At some point we will be able to quantify mental disorders the same way we quantity fractures and heart disease.







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MrCarton
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Then we won't need DD's.


shite...I don't need one now!

JK

Drive safe y'all.






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Walking the Earth
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A machine won't recognize insanity. It will recognize quantitative data. At some point we will be able to quantify mental disorders the same way we quantity fractures and heart disease.


That wasn't really my point.

What I was getting at is that the question "Was Hamlet really insane?" is one of the most oft debated questions from the play. There's evidence for both sides and a lot of scholars have gone round and round on the subject. But there's no real right answer...the one guy that presumably knew has been dead for centuries.

So it's all about looking through the "data", forming an opinion and defending it.

Watson can tell me what other people have published on the matter but it can't tell me what it thinks. That's a key requirement of intelligence and why computers will be a tool for doctors, and an important one, but are not really close to taking over the industry.






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austingator
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Powerman you are clueless.
You have no idea about what you are talking about.
You sound like my 11 yo gifted and talented child. Arrogant in his intelligence, but ignorant in his ignorance. Just because it makes sense in your head, doesn't make it true.
I'm sorry your mother has trouble with a diagnosis. She should have read the book better, and presented with classic symptoms so that the Merk manual could diagnose her.

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I'm rich and I hoard wealth quote: Hubby had a patient that was having syncope (loss of consciousness). He is in his 20s. Studies were performed and he didn't fit the criteria for a defibrillator (herd medicine). A good doctor with experience, and feel felt that he was probably going to have a sudden death episode, but textbooks didn't think so. Against hospital policy he put a defibrillator in. He had to defend his decision to a medical board. 10 months later his patient had a sudden death episode and didn't die because of his device. He went on to win the frisbee world championships (oldest in the team, and team captain) for the US. We have a signed picture of the team in our office. Do you think docs are going to put their asses on the line for peanuts? Do you think computers give a chit! Do you think computers can develop a "feel" for what happens with real life patients? That's a great story And there are a lot of other stories that aren't so great My mom for instance has been seeing a specialist that can't diagnose whatever sickness she has. She's on doctor's 3rd and inaccurate guess by my count. All the doctor has done is make poor guesses and put her on medicine that hasn't really helped much. The art/instinct bull shite isn't working out so great for her unfortunately. When superior machines are more accurately providing diagnosis, it will be a good thing. And I could give a frick if you dart throwers lose your jobs.






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SmackoverHawg
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"Was Hamlet really insane?"

Better question would be...Am I for staying in this thread? I am determined to get the last post!

Nobody in their right mind thinks that doctors will be obsolete in 25 yrs. To say so is insulting, but it also shows the ignorance of the poster. They have no clue how much they DON'T KNOW about the art and practice of medicine.






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MrCarton
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Watson can tell me what other people have published on the matter but it can't tell me what it thinks. That's a key requirement of intelligence


Humans excel at subjective analysis, machines aren't really needed to perform this task. Maybe I am misunderstanding you though.

:shrugs:

Either way, new technology is exciting, check out the thread about the new printed lower that is up to 600 rounds...






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Powerman
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What is your "prognostication" of when land automobiles will be replaced by flying ones?


My prognostication is that we already have planes

And if you're referring to all of us riding in flying cars then my prognostication is you're incredibly fricking stupid for continuing to make this dumb frick comparison.

Comparing tech that involves semiconductors and relatively new intellectual algorithms with an industry that is constrained by physical, mechanical and not least of all financial constraints is just flat out fricking stupid.

Period.






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Powerman
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austingator

Who is this stupid bitch?






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SmackoverHawg
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My prognostication is that we already have planes

And if you're referring to all of us riding in flying cars then my prognostication is you're incredibly fricking stupid for continuing to make this dumb frick comparison.

Comparing tech that involves semiconductors and relatively new intellectual algorithms with an industry that is constrained by physical, mechanical and not least of all financial constraints is just flat out fricking stupid.

Period.

Let's get to the real reason you jumped in this thread. You're poor and mad aren't you? Hate success and can't stand to look yourself in the mirror.






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MrCarton
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Who is this stupid bitch?








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MDcajuntiger
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The machine will pick up on rare and uncommon things if the data is there


Not trying to antagonize you as I agree with you regarding the processing of data, but lets consider a few situations:

Patients who are malingering or hypochondriacs. They could be well versed with certain symptoms and provide the computer data that could be consistent with the diagnosis of their choosing.

Patients with psychiatric problems that can for the most part only be diagnosed by gathering subjective data.

True real life example to demonstrate: the homeless male who presented to the ER during my 3rd year of medical school shortly after the Christmas holidays who was threatening to kill himself.
Issues: the homeless are known to have a higher incidence of mental health disorders, the holidays are notorious for higher rates of suicide.

I walked in and preceded to ask him what his plan was to kill himself. After a few pensive seconds he looked up at me and states that he want to use the oxygen tubing (while pointing across the room to it) to hang himself.

The ER resident I discussed the case with quickly informs me that this was pretty common behavior amongst homeless patients in the winter to punch their ticket for a free meal and night or 2 stay in a warm bed in the hospital.

I am not sure how a computer could reconcile these scenarios better than a human clinically.

The extremely rare entities that you have mentioned (that the computing power that Watson could provide a clue into) are just that, rare.

A more important frontier in my mind is disease prevention by better understanding / manipulation of the human genome. This is a cleaner point to intervene with technology than trying to find and solve problems on the back end in humans.

If computing power does evolve to the level you describe, they just might come to the conclusion that we are not worth the effort of helping (ironically in much the same way intellectuals have no real use for God).




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Powerman
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I don't remember why I originally jumped in this thread.

All I know is that there are a lot of terribly naive and technically inept medical "professionals" in here that are probably already inferior to a machine that some nerds that know nothing about medicine programmed.







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SmackoverHawg
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Who is this stupid bitch?

Respect the ladies a-hole!






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MrCarton
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Respect the ladies a-hole!


Weren't you talking about slamming OT 9s earlier, like 800 or so posts ago?

no judgery here.






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SmackoverHawg
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What about the pt that just needs a hug? There's waaaaay more to what I do than analyzing data. I converse with my pt's and know them personally. I will pick up on things that a machine will never catch. They will make great toys to assist us in our practices, but they will never replace us.





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SmackoverHawg
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Weren't you talking about slamming OT 9s earlier, like 800 or so posts ago?

no judgery here.

I only call'em bitches when they ask. And they ask!






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