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Powerman
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I have asked 5 different docs about the same case, gotten five different answers. The issue is that these docs do not have the capability of coordinating treatment options and creating scientifically backed conclusions. Publications cannot keep up with results and fellowships do not create a hive mind mentality.

The internet has done a lot for medicine as a reference and research tool, but results analysis rely on input. In a voluntary disclosure system, the weakness is the doctors willingness or ability (time crunch) to input the data in an unbiased manner.


Will technology solve these issues? Not completely. But improved bio sensing and automated data reporting will go a long way for consistency.

JMO

Finally, someone else who isn't a moron.

I realize you aren't "on my side" on this argument per say but that's more truth than a lot of these dart throwers want to acknowledge.






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onmymedicalgrind
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No, you're the dumb one, as evident by the fact you couldn't get into med school and now you hate doctors.

You just don't know wtf you are talking about. How often do you think literature that significantly changes the clinical management of a patient gets published? You make it seem as if a doctor doesnt scour the 4 corners of the earth everyday, his care will be supbar.






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MrCarton
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Oh...so I guess you guys were joking when you said that people practice based on "intuition" and "instinct" which are essentially both key words for arbitrary random bull shite that is done on a fricking whim.



Well I won't speak for them, but the science of medicine always knows the answer, the practice of medicine makes educated guesses. In most cases it is doing the best with what your capability allows.






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onmymedicalgrind
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dart throwers

Hard to make it seem you are objective in this discussion when this is what you think doctors are. Why so angry/jealous?






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Walking the Earth
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Will the computer be right 100% of the time? No. But in these instances it will be much much more reliable than a human.


What happens when the machine is wrong? Doctors get sued. Hell, they get sued even when they aren't wrong and the outcome was simply unsatisfactory.

Once again, why would IBM or any other tech company have any desires to take over the "doctoring" and expose themselves to that liability, only on a much more massive scale?



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onmymedicalgrind
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Well I won't speak for them, but the science of medicine always knows the answer, the practice of medicine makes educated guesses. In most cases it is doing the best with what your capability allows.


Yep. Watson may know the "textbook" version of things, but so much of medicine is still a mystery and trying to be elucidated, that experience counts for something.






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Powerman
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No, you're the dumb one, as evident by the fact you couldn't get into med school and now you hate doctors.


I had no plans of going to med school

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You make it seem as if a doctor doesnt scour the 4 corners of the earth everyday, his care will be supbar.

It's not a matter of scouring the whole earth every day. It's a matter of only being able to scour the 3 block radius surrounding your house. Meanwhile a machine can and will scour the 4 corners of the earth every day. And not only that but it has the ability to rationalize all the data using algorithms that are far far superior to whatever drives the decision making process in your head.

So yes, you will be sub par compared to what the machine comes up with.

And it won't even be close.



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thelsutigers
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Is this a gay thread, 'cause we are at 61 pages about some dumbass that thinks he's rich ?





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Powerman
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What happens when the machine is wrong? Doctors get sued.

Actually this might not be the case.

Depends on some FDA rulings

Presumably you will have far fewer websites with Dr. Watson on the case.







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Powerman
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Is this a gay thread, 'cause we are at 61 pages about some dumbass that thinks he's rich ?


Well he definitely seems like a dumb ass, I'll give you that much






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onmymedicalgrind
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It's not a matter of scouring the whole earth every day. It's a matter of only being able to scour the 3 block radius surrounding your house. Meanwhile a machine can and will scour the 4 hours of the earth every day. And not only that but it has the ability to rationalize all the data using algorithms that are far far superior to whatever drives the decision making process in your head.

So yes, you will be sub par compared to what the machine comes up with.

And it won't even be close.


Ok so this begs the question, why isn't this all happening today? Computers right now have tremendous computational powers, certainly more than humans, so why aren't they being utilized? Whats the hold up?

ETA: at least in a consultatory capacity?



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MrCarton
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Finally, someone else who isn't a moron.

I realize you aren't "on my side" on this argument per say but that's more truth than a lot of these dart throwers want to acknowledge.


My father and brother are doctors, I came pretty close to choosing that life. I know a smidge, literally, about the medical field.

What I can tell you that is a universal truth: nobody wants to be belittled, especially when they work long and hard to get to where they are.






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Walking the Earth
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Actually this might not be the case.

Depends on some FDA rulings

Presumably you will have far fewer websites with Dr. Watson on the case.


What might not be the case? That the machine will never be wrong or its company will never get sued?

The first is simply impossible and the second would require a complete overhaul of the legal system and that certainly isn't happening by 2035. Or 2135, for that matter.



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MrCarton
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Ok so this begs the question, why isn't this all happening today? Computers right now have tremendous computational powers, certainly more than humans, so why aren't they being utilized? Whats the hold up?

ETA: at least in a consultatory capacity?



On a limited scale, automatic external defibrillators do this routinely. Not exactly apples to apples, but I think the fundamentals apply.






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Powerman
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Ok so this begs the question, why isn't this all happening today? Computers right now have tremendous computational powers, certainly more than humans, so why aren't they being utilized? Whats the hold up?


You are witnessing the beginning of it right now with Watson. Machines have long been able to compute things faster than humans. Now we have clever enough programming for the machine to learn using non structured data.

So why aren't we seeing it? We are seeing it. But right now is just the beginning. Thankfully for you, in 25 years we'll be at the exact same place as we are now and Watson and other technologies like it won't make your value drop at all.








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Powerman
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What I can tell you that is a universal truth: nobody wants to be belittled, especially when they work long and hard to get to where they are.


I think that's where the misunderstanding is.

I actually like doctors and think most of them are dedicated to their craft.

Unfortunately their craft is complicated beyond the scope of humans to handle effectively accross all disciplines.

It's logical that eventually most humans will be replaced in some capacity by machines. Maybe I'm wrong and only 40% of doctors will be out of work in 2035 and not 80-90%

But the more the machines learn, the less valuable they become.

It's part of life.






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onmymedicalgrind
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You are witnessing the beginning of it right now with Watson. Machines have long been able to compute things faster than humans. Now we have clever enough programming for the machine to learn using non structured data.


But this is my point. In today's day and age, doctor's have things like iphone apps (dynamed, access medicine, etc) that stay up to date that they can always use when need be. Even apps like epocrates are used routinely when writing prescriptions. Technology is there. But so are the doctors.






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onmymedicalgrind
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What is your "prognostication" of when land automobiles will be replaced by flying ones?





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MrCarton
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Even apps like epocrates are used routinely when writing prescriptions.



That was great when it came out. I threw away my binder with the drug insert sheets ...I put a lot of hours into that. It was depressing.






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