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PanhandleTigah 
LSU Fan
Panama City FL via LaPlace LA
Member since May 2008
3008 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 12:05 pm to I B Freeman)
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We do need much more small government leadership and a focus in government protective of liberty.
I absolutely agree with this! I'm a fiscal and social conservative who would love nothing more than to see the private sector grow and the public sector shrink.
I have a master's degree and would love to use my knowledge and experience in the private sector. However, at this time there isn't a whole lot out there. It's a vicious cycle; the government enacts policies that negatively affect private sector growth. So, those of us who would love to leave the public sector for the private sector are unable to do so because the economic climate caused by the very government we work for prevents us from doing just that...it's crazy.
I communicate with my representatives when I feel strongly about issues. Like many others, I'm frustrated because I feel my voice is being silenced along with many other concerned citizens.
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Hawgon 
Arkansas Fan
Texas
Member since Feb 2011
1223 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 12:16 pm to I B Freeman)
The reason we're doomed is because very few actually even understand what is going on.
Say, for instance, that I am the only taxpayer. I pay $1 million a year in taxes. Based on that tax base, the government goes out and hires ten government workers at $100k each. The government then "taxes" them at the rate of $40k each per year. So, now the government adds the revenue from those "taxes" on the government workers and says that it has $1.4 million in revenues.
Next year, it takes that $1.4 million in revenues and hires four more workers at $100k each to collect taxes from all the others. It taxes them at $40k each and the next year it says that it has $1.56 million in revenues.
So, the government then wants to spend more, and it goes to the bank and borrows $5 million and uses the $1.56 million it says that it will collect in taxes as collateral to get the money. With the money it borrows, it hires scores more workers, taxes them, adds their totals to its "revenues" and uses those "revenues" as collateral for more loans.
And of course, all of these people working for the government go out and buy things from people and those people then make money and it is taxed and those taxes are then added to the so-called government revenue and calculation of the GDP.
And this whole entire giant house of cards, this great inverted pyramid, is built on the back of me, the one guy paying $1 million in taxes to start with. If I collapse, then the whole thing collapses because no one really is making any money. Their money is illusory. All built on the one guy actually out there doing something.
All the government workers may be good people trying to do the best job they know how. And they may actually be doing great and wonderful things, but it is a house of cards. It isn't real.
Our whole system is like that. It is only possible because there is no real money. And because there is no real money, it is doomed to collapse eventually. And when it does, a 20% cut in pay will be the last of anyone's worries.
We can't stop the collapse. It is coming. We might can delay it indefinitely if we wised up, realized the pickle we were in, and started trying to back away from the ledge. But, as this sequester thing so aptly shows, no one even wants to acknowledge that there is a ledge, least of all those in charge.
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RollTide1987 
Alabama Fan
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Nov 2009
17732 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 12:19 pm to Poodlebrain)
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When did any of his co-workers move backward in civil service grade?
He and a few of his co-workers moved back in pay grade when flight service was contracted out to Lockheed Martin back in 04-05. He had just moved up to the pay grade below where he was at when the pay freeze was enacted back in '09.
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Not every federal worker over the last 30 years have been model employees.
I could say the same for the private sector. And my father is a big advocate of firing federal employees who suck at their jobs. I'm in favor of some kind of reform that makes it much easier to fire a federal worker.
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Roaad
LSU Fan
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Member since Aug 2006
50724 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 12:21 pm to I B Freeman)
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The Cow Goes Moo Moo 
Georgia Tech Fan
Kenna Bra
Member since Nov 2012
722 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 12:52 pm to I B Freeman)
Finally got the official email. Furlough begin Arpil 23!
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real
LSU Fan
Dixieland
Member since Oct 2007
11588 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 1:00 pm to PanhandleTigah)
Panhandle i do hate to see anyone have to take a cut and i hope the best for you. Reading what you say here makes me think that you'll be ok. And i 100% agree that its bull shite the way the top dogs hurt ya'll 1st instead of really cutting the waste. And we as Americans should take every chance we have to call our so called laeders and bitch to them. Until enough of us start screaming nothing will change.
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tigerskin
LSU Fan
Member since Nov 2004
7765 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 1:15 pm to Hawgon)
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Our whole system is like that. It is only possible because there is no real money. And because there is no real money, it is doomed to collapse eventually. And when it does, a 20% cut in pay will be the last of anyone's worries.
We can't stop the collapse. It is coming. We might can delay it indefinitely if we wised up, realized the pickle we were in, and started trying to back away from the ledge. But, as this sequester thing so aptly shows, no one even wants to acknowledge that there is a ledge, least of all those in charge.
I have become convinced that they truly don't think Americans could handle the cuts we really need. There will be no meaningful deficit reduction. They would rather it all collapse on it's own and wait for that time to point the fingers.
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DevilDogTiger 
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Nov 2007
1763 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 1:34 pm to RollTide1987)
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He works for the Federal Aviation Administration and his job is exclusive to the government
Is he an air traffic controller?
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RollTide1987
Alabama Fan
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Nov 2009
17732 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 1:37 pm to DevilDogTiger)
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Is he an air traffic controller?
No. He's one of the guys who investigates and disciplines air traffic controllers who fall asleep on the job or screw up. He also inspects airports and makes sure their safety precautions are up to FAA regulations.
This post was edited on 3/1 at 1:39 pm
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DevilDogTiger
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Nov 2007
1763 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 1:39 pm to RollTide1987)
What region? I'm a controller in Atlanta.
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RollTide1987
Alabama Fan
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Nov 2009
17732 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 1:41 pm to DevilDogTiger)
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What region? I'm a controller in Atlanta.
Atlanta. 
You may have met him. He worked in Atlanta Center up until a few years ago.
This post was edited on 3/1 at 1:42 pm
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StraightCashHomey21 
West Virginia Fan
Ramstein AB
Member since Jul 2009
31573 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 1:41 pm to I B Freeman)
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They need to be reminded of the damage the crap that the government did resulting in their jobs did to the working, private sector. You know things like wars all over the Middle East
did wonders for the private sector if you are in the right line of work six figure jobs tax free and blank check contracts.
Also there is a difference b/w regular fed employees and DoD civilians
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BCSmess
LSU Fan
earth
Member since Jan 2013
243 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 1:42 pm to RollTide1987)
For nearly 30 years he worked his arse off and rose through the ranks.... really....really...never seen a government worker work HARD.......NEVER.... 
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DevilDogTiger
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Nov 2007
1763 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 1:45 pm to RollTide1987)
Oh shit! I'll do my best to stay awake. No promises
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RollTide1987
Alabama Fan
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Nov 2009
17732 posts
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did wonders for the private sector if you are in the right line of work six figure jobs tax free and blank check contracts.
Yep...I have a friend who is a chemical engineer. He develops camouflage fabrics for military use. War has been a good business for him.
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RollTide1987
Alabama Fan
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Nov 2009
17732 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 1:48 pm to DevilDogTiger)
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Oh shit! I'll do my best to stay awake. No promises
When he worked in Atlanta Center he dealt with accident reports for whatever regional expanse Atlanta oversees. His current job is located just across the runway from Atlanta Hartsfield.
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StraightCashHomey21
West Virginia Fan
Ramstein AB
Member since Jul 2009
31573 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 1:49 pm to SM6)
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Some yes some no. Love the blanket statements though.
yup my parents both put in 30+ years working for the the gov't DoD and other agencies. Mom a GS-15 Dad was a 14 now retired as well with 20 years military. Two of the hardest working people ive ever met.
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INFIDEL
LSU Fan
The couch
Member since Aug 2006
13280 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 2:07 pm to I B Freeman)
My bro in law is a government worker and this is going to effect him, probably significantly. But after years of watching the way these government departments have been run, I'm torn on how I feel about it. If that place was a private company they would have gone under in the first year. n
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INFIDEL
LSU Fan
The couch
Member since Aug 2006
13280 posts
| re: Federal employees whining-- (Posted on 3/1/13 at 2:11 pm to RollTide1987)
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My father is a Federal employee. He started with next to nothing in terms of salary almost 30 years ago. For nearly 30 years he worked his arse off and rose through the ranks. He wasn't an arse kisser, he didn't talk his way into promotions, he worked his way into them. Now he brings home six figures. Yeah...he didn't do it in the private sector, but how is what he did and what he went through any different from what an ordinary Joe does out there in a non-government job?
Problem is that private sector employees show up and hour earlier, stay an hour later, skip lunch, and keep people happy and the numbers positive to keep their jobs. They do that with less vacation and less benefits and a hell of a lot less security.
If the company isn't doing well a private sector employee says "oh shite. I better increase productivity" Government employees say "aint my problem. "
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INFIDEL
LSU Fan
The couch
Member since Aug 2006
13280 posts
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Two of the hardest working people ive ever met.
Not saying there aren't hard working people in a broken system. There are. It's just hard to soar like an eagle when you're flying with buzzards.
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