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Godfather1
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Yeah, well...my father still isn't in the same club as you. His job is pretty secure


Well, for his sake, I'm glad to hear that.

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The only thing that bothers him about this whole mess is his boss, the President of the United States, is so willing to play political football with his employees just to score political points on Republicans.


As well it should.

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How many private sector employers do that on a regular basis?


You'd be surprised. The private sector has lobbies, you know.






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Lsupimp
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Why are people like me demonized for working for the government? I get crucified rejoicing at the thought of Americans loosing 20% of their pay


See you just fell into the trap. You are neither being demonized or crucified. This is just YOUR STRAWMAN. Imagining you are a victim just feels better than accepting reality, I guess. You are simply having ECONOMIC REALITY explained to you. This is how FAILURE feels. Government has FAILED you. That is just reality. A reality the private sector has faced FOR YEARS. Did you not watch the news starting in 2008 ? Do you not know what the word UNEMPLOYMENT means ? How about MORTGAGE FORECLOSURE ? How about those small business windows with boards in them ? You do know what that means, right ? You do know that American small business has been decimated right ? Not "pay cut"-but living in their elderly parent's basement with the kids, right ? I mean, you DO know this, right ?


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while doing the same amount of work: should I get a third job to support my family and my pregnant wife? Are two military occupations not enough?


These are the questions PRIVATE SECTOR employees have been asking for years. They were the EXACT questions I asked myself in 2008 . I just didn't do it on this board or have some psychological expectation THAT SOMEBODY OWED ME A LIVING.

Welcome to THE SUCK. You were just late getting here. Don't blame us for explaining it to you. Blame your POLITICAL OVERLORDS for dropping it in your lap. And blame YOURSELF and your COUNTRYMEN for believing that the Magical Unicorns made more sense than living within our means.






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RollTide1987
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Therefore, he isn't immune from hard economic times like the rest of us.




And I'm not arguing anything to contrary. He has just as much of a right to bitch about a cut or a freeze in pay as a private sector employee does.






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windshieldman
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Not Federal, but Im a firefighter and will retire at 47. Deal with it.





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junkfunky
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Dude, frick you. Seriously.

My last post to Bengal ever


Damn, I didn't think I'd ever see you go full on bloody vag. Cpt's tone was relatively mild and full of truth but it doesn't appear that you're willing to be honest with yourself. In fact, you deflected, and tried arguing a point no one made. I am dissapoint.






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TigerJeff
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It's not different. These "private sector warriors" don't seem to understand that the private sector relies upon the public sector A LOT. Street maintenance. Police protection. National defense. Interstate highways. Air traffic controllers. Food inspectors. The list goes on and on. Other effects are less obvious but no less significant. The Dept of Defense has an enormous amount of contracts with PRIVATE SECTOR companies. In order to prevent those contractors from running roughshod over the Fed. Govt., you have to have contracting officers. Attorneys. Contracting officer technical representatives. All of whom monitor the contractor's performance and ensure he's doing what he's supposed to do.

Ppl who make blanket comments about "whining Fed employees" really have no idea what they're talking about.

Bottom line: this sequester situation is the result of A TOTAL LACK OF LEADERSHIP from this President, his Administration, Congress, and both political parties. It's time for the President to LEAD. The election is over; stop campaigning and sit down with the other side and negotiate a resolution.



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Lsupimp
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Im a firefighter and will retire at 47


Good for you bro.You got you some of that good Gubment Gravy. Just don't act shocked when the checks stop. You know that's how it happens, right ? First very slowly, and then SUDDENLY ALL AT ONCE. You walk out to the mailbox and there is nothing there. And you stand there and think about all the promises."But you promised me"--you say to no one in particular. And then you go inside, lube up your anus, and start preparing to sell your furniture.








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windshieldman
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TigerJeff


Way to much logic in that post.






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windshieldman
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Lsupimp


That, or I can resort to my auto glass business that I started myself and am very successful with.

Btw, Ive never been promised anything with my govt job. The only raises Ive gotten is when min wage went up or I promoted. Ive never complained about pay either.



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Hawgon
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It's not different. These "private sector warriors" don't seem to understand that the private sector relies upon the public sector A LOT. Street maintenance. Police protection. National defense. Interstate highways. Air traffic controllers. Food inspectors. The list goes on and on. Other effects are less obvious but no less significant. The Dept of Defense has an enormous amount of contracts with PRIVATE SECTOR companies. In order to prevent those contractors from running roughshod over the Fed. Govt., you have to have contracting officers. Attorneys. Contracting officer technical representatives. All of whom monitor the contractor's performance and ensure he's doing what he's supposed to do. Ppl who make blanket comments about "whining Fed employees" really have no idea what they're talking about. Bottom line: this sequester situation is the result of A TOTAL LACK OF LEADERSHIP from this President, his Administration, Congress, and both political parties. It's time for the President to LEAD. The election is over; stop campaigning and sit down with the other side and negotiate a resolution.


After more than 100 years of creating a virtual monopoly in all these areas at the point of a gun, the crooks now respond with "See how much you need us."

Most if not all of those areas could be handled more efficiently and cheaply by private organizations, yet, most of those private organizations are regulated out of them.






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real
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Sorry anyone is getting cut, but it has to happen. And we really need much deeper cuts. And they are coming. If this Admin wasnt so horrible for the private sector, maybe just maybe it wouldnt be so bad. But most of the tax base comes from private sector workers, and when we can't hire workers and lay off workers, that tax base dries up. Id highly reccomend any person who is under 40 and works for the Feds to start looking elsewhere. Its coming. Maybe 5 years, Maybe 10 but those deep cuts are coming.


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SoulGlo
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My father is a Federal employee. He started with next to nothing in terms of salary almost 30 years ago. For nearly 30 years he worked his arse off and rose through the ranks. He wasn't an arse kisser, he didn't talk his way into promotions, he worked his way into them. Now he brings home six figures. Yeah...he didn't do it in the private sector, but how is what he did and what he went through any different from what an ordinary Joe does out there in a non-government job?


Depends on the job, but the most obvious difference is that his employer is forced to pay him under penalty of imprisonment or death.

Are you saying he should be immune from the pay cuts and hard times his employers face?






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I B Freeman
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Ppl who make blanket comments about "whining Fed employees" really have no idea what they're talking about.

Bottom line: this sequester situation is the result of A TOTAL LACK OF LEADERSHIP from this President, his Administration, Congress, and both political parties. It's time for the President to LEAD. The election is over; stop campaigning and sit down with the other side and negotiate a resolution.


WRONG. Federal employees are whining--see the link in the OP--and like you want to take from taxpayers or issue more debt burdening us all before they stop whining.

That is the point. I would rather hear federal employees saying this is a waste of money or this department is not needed and so on.

Contrary to your leadership claim I believe the sequester is the first tiny attempt at fiscal leadership we have seen. Obama wanted to back out of it but it is at least a nod toward fiscal discipline. Too bad it was not much, much larger.



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RollTide1987
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Most if not all of those areas could be handled more efficiently and cheaply by private organizations, yet, most of those private organizations are regulated out of them.


One of the biggest misnomers ever. My father worked in Flight Service for much of his career with the FAA. Around abouts 2004, however, the Bush Administration contracted it out to a private corporation (Lockheed Martin) in an attempt to cut costs and reduce the size of the federal government. Turned out...Lockheed Martin screwed up the transition, cost the federal government a lot of money to help them with the transition, still screwed up, and is now in the process of trying to sell Flight Service back to the U.S. Government.

My dad had to up and move with my mother and sister six years ago to Georgia because of all that. Had he not found another job with the FAA he would have lost his retirement account and all the money he had accumulated over the years. All of this in the name of cutting costs. Turns out...it was a lot more expensive to privatize Flight Service then it was to keep it within the FAA.







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Hawgon
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But most of the tax base comes from private sector workers,


ALL the tax base is from private sector workers. The idea that federal employees pay federal taxes is an illusion.

Look at it this way. If your employer pays you $100k and then turns around and "taxes" you $15k, how much were you really paid? In reality, you were only paid $85k. It is just an accounting trick to pretend otherwise.

In reality, it would be far preferable for the government to just pay the worker $85k and make no pretense that said worker was paying a "tax". That way, the government would at least get the benefit of the whole $15k. Instead, the government pays the extra $15k, then immediately takes it back while having to spend $3k on the employees and apparatus to collect it. Just so the pretense can be maintained that federal workers pay taxes.






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Hawgon
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One of the biggest misnomers ever. My father worked in Flight Service for much of his career with the FAA. Around abouts 2004, however, the Bush Administration contracted it out to a private corporation (Lockheed Martin) in an attempt to cut costs and reduce the size of the federal government. Turned out...Lockheed Martin screwed up the transition, cost the federal government a lot of money to help them with the transition, still screwed up, and is now in the process of trying to sell Flight Service back to the U.S. Government. My dad had to up and move with my mother and sister six years ago to Georgia because of all that. Had he not found another job with the FAA he would have lost his retirement account and all the money he had accumulated over the years. All of this in the name of cutting costs. Turns out...it was a lot more expensive to privatize Flight Service then it was to keep it within the FAA.


Nothing is actually "privatized" when it is still saddled with enough government regulations and oversight to choke a horse.






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PanhandleTigah
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TigerJeff
Great post TJ!

Federal worker here; I do not make 6 figures a year, and I am not whining about the impending monthly loss of income I face. As I stated in another thread yesterday, I'm truly using a balanced approach to deal with this. I'm reworking my personal budget and looking for part time work to make up for the $600 I will lose monthly. I work as an academic, simulator, and live mission scheduler for a Air Battle Manager training squadron. I spend about 40-50 hours a week working with multiple agencies, including private sector contractors, to ensure the guys who will control aerial fights are properly trained.

Without me, active duty members would be in charge of this function; they already put in many hours a day to brief, train, debrief, and fill out gradesheets for our students. Asking them to produce a complex schedule on top of what they already do would put them at 16-18 hour days. So, when I'm not here one day a week to complete the long- and short-range schedules some active duty guy/gal has to pick up the slack without having my knowledge of the procedures involved.

What the everyday federal employee is complaining about is that everytime the law makers need to make cuts, we are used as political pawns. There isn't one person I work with who believes the federal government isn't bloated. No one I work with has one of those $150,000 a year jobs. Yet, we're all portrayed as greedy, spoiled, lazy people who are no different than those sucking off the government teat. But isn't that what the leaders want? Make us all resent one another? Divide and conquer?

The furlough doesn't apply to political appointees--surprise, surprise. It doesn't affect Congress who vote themselves automatic raises every year. Why haven't they repealed that to save money? These buffoons target areas that don't affect them then tell everyone else to shoulder the burden. The American people need to stop pointing fingers at each other and feeling resentment toward those trying to make an honest living and aim their ire at the those in Washington who are playing everyone of us for fools.

I know--TL;DR







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Jbird
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Bingo.

No IRS furloughs, we have to get the EITC checks sent out.






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I B Freeman
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What the everyday federal employee is complaining about is that everytime the law makers need to make cuts, we are used as political pawns. There isn't one person I work with who believes the federal government isn't bloated. No one I work with has one of those $150,000 a year jobs. Yet, we're all portrayed as greedy, spoiled, lazy people who are no different than those sucking off the government teat. But isn't that what the leaders want? Make us all resent one another? Divide and conquer?

The furlough doesn't apply to political appointees--surprise, surprise. It doesn't affect Congress who vote themselves automatic raises every year. Why haven't they repealed that to save money? These buffoons target areas that don't affect them then tell everyone else to shoulder the burden. The American people need to stop pointing fingers at each other and feeling resentment toward those trying to make an honest living and aim their ire at the those in Washington who are playing everyone of us for fools.


This is the attitude we need. This what we must foster. People in government who will call BS on bloat and stupid programs.

We need to reduce government dramatically--define what we need people to do and pay them very well to do it.

Furloughs are a whimp way to deal with less money. They should layoff and whittle down their staffs instead.

We do need much more small government leadership and a focus in government protective of liberty.






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Poodlebrain
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Yeah...he didn't do it in the private sector, but how is what he did and what he went through any different from what an ordinary Joe does out there in a non-government job?
What years did government suffer reductions in revenue such that there were real threats of job loss? How many times during your father's career were co-workers terminated for poor performance? When did any of his co-workers move backward in civil service grade?

Not every federal worker over the last 30 years have been model employees. Yet, reaching a level of incompetency is a career ending event. It is just where that employee will spend the balance of his career being incompetent to perform the job he has been promoted into. That don't happen in the private sector.






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