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to remove subjectivity ad much as possible.

As possible is the key phrase. You will always need subjective evaluation.

ETA-always in this sentence means....at least for the next one hundred years.



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I think the whole concept of introducing machines into the mix is to remove subjectivity ad much as possible.



Of course you always want to eliminate subjective when dealing with science. Unfortunately medicine is both science and practice for the near future. At least in my opinion.

We have to understand before we can teach a computer to do it. That will be the limiting factor in automation.






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I have not seen p-man once say he'd eat a handful of HIS own shite if he's wrong. He, unlike me, has some doubt in his OPINION.





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I have not seen p-man once say he'd eat a handful of HIS own shite if he's wrong. He, unlike me, has some doubt in his OPINION










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According to John Rennie, Watson can process 500 gigabytes, the equivalent of a million books, per second.[15] IBM's master inventor and senior consultant Tony Pearson estimated Watson's hardware cost at about $3 million[16] and with 80 TeraFLOPs would be placed 94th on the Top 500 Supercomputers list


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This is your competion Good luck I'm sure it won't advance substantially over a 2 decade period though so you probably don't have much to worry about


Can it tell me whether Hamlet was really insane or merely faking it?

Raw computational power isn't everything.






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We have to understand before we can teach a computer to do it. That will be the limiting factor in automation






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We have to understand before we can teach a computer to do it. That will be the limiting factor in automation

There are just somethings we are better at. We are not gods. It is blasphemous for us to believe we can improve upon the creators work.

I can chug a beer in less than 2 secs, then burp the alphabet. Can Watson12000?






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quote: If only medicine were an exact science, you wouldn't see alot of the health issues you still see today. But the fact that it is exceedingly complicated is exactly what makes the task better suited for a machine. Eventually machines will be more reliable in providing a diagnosis than humans purely based on their ability to make better calculations When biosensing methods are vastly improved (probably a decade from now) then the machines will have access to a wealth of patient data that would be almost impossible to ascertain from medical records.


La ignorancia es atrevida. Dude you really don't understand how stupid you sound.

But how you think is how those idiots in a DC basement think, you know the idiots that want to make Americans experience herd medicine. If you knew anything about medicine, you would know it is more of an art/instinct than a science.

Example:
Hubby had a patient that was having syncope (loss of consciousness). He is in his 20s. Studies were performed and he didn't fit the criteria for a defibrillator (herd medicine). A good doctor with experience, and feel felt that he was probably going to have a sudden death episode, but textbooks didn't think so. Against hospital policy he put a defibrillator in. He had to defend his decision to a medical board. 10 months later his patient had a sudden death episode and didn't die because of his device. He went on to win the frisbee world championships (oldest in the team, and team captain) for the US. We have a signed picture of the team in our office. Do you think docs are going to put their asses on the line for peanuts? Do you think computers give a chit! Do you think computers can develop a "feel" for what happens with real life patients?

Patients rarely act textbook. They sometimes get better because they believe in their docs/ treatment (placebo). How do you suggest to replicate this with available data on a computer?

Do you think medicine/technology will give you good medicine? No, it will give you herd medicine and that will be tragic. Open wide and say moo.






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I nobody has told me who will invest in medical technology when the goal is rationing and cutting on medical spending.

The truth is many of these new technological mandates (electronically records) are mandated to make rationing easier.

We are all screwed. Most don't know it, but in our old age we won't have access to, relatively speaking, half the stuff our grandparents did, even if you want to pay out of your own pocket. You can't even refuse Medicare. That is unless you refuse SS also.



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The truth is many of these new technological mandates (electronically records) are mandated to make rationing easier


Probably happen sad huh?






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nobody has told me who will invest in medical technology when the goal is rationing and cutting on medical spending.

The truth is many of these new technological mandates (electronically records) are mandated to make rationing easier.

We are all screwed. Most don't know it, but in our old age we won't have access to, relatively speaking, half the stuff our grandparents did, even if you want to pay out of your own pocket. You can't even refuse Medicare. That is unless you refuse SS also.

Yep...I'm more afraid of our gov't than I am of computers! As I mentioned previously, when they mandate EMR it takes incentives away from those that produce them to make it cheaper and more efficient. Just like anything the gov't subsidizes, the prices go up and quality goes down. If EMR was so damn great, we would already be using it. But don't expect me to use a shite product that'll cut my profit margin by 50%. Makes no sense unless you are trying to destroy and industry.






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Cricketts from the liberal talking point crowd.
Finally






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Cricketts from the liberal talking point crowd.
Finally

I win the internet!!!!!!!!!!






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I win the internet!!!!!!!!!!


I dub thee King of the Interwebs for the month!






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If you knew anything about medicine, you would know it is more of an art/instinct than a science.

The idea is to make it more of a science and less of your stupid dart throwing and making decisions on a whim.







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Cricketts from the liberal talking point crowd.

How the hell is this a liberal talking point?






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less of your stupid dart throwing and making decisions on a whim.


Jesus you crack me up.






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Hubby had a patient that was having syncope (loss of consciousness). He is in his 20s. Studies were performed and he didn't fit the criteria for a defibrillator (herd medicine). A good doctor with experience, and feel felt that he was probably going to have a sudden death episode, but textbooks didn't think so. Against hospital policy he put a defibrillator in. He had to defend his decision to a medical board. 10 months later his patient had a sudden death episode and didn't die because of his device. He went on to win the frisbee world championships (oldest in the team, and team captain) for the US. We have a signed picture of the team in our office. Do you think docs are going to put their asses on the line for peanuts? Do you think computers give a chit! Do you think computers can develop a "feel" for what happens with real life patients?

That's a great story

And there are a lot of other stories that aren't so great

My mom for instance has been seeing a specialist that can't diagnose whatever sickness she has. She's on doctor's 3rd and inaccurate guess by my count.

All the doctor has done is make poor guesses and put her on medicine that hasn't really helped much. The art/instinct bull shite isn't working out so great for her unfortunately.

When superior machines are more accurately providing diagnosis, it will be a good thing. And I could give a frick if you dart throwers lose your jobs.






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Jesus you crack me up.


They're ADMITTING that they're just guessing on a whim.

"We don't necessarily use any calculations to arrive at a decision, we use instinct. It's an art form"

That's the type of shite that gets you canned in every other profession but it's somehow deemed acceptable in medicine.






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