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SM6
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Want to talk about some private sector leeches who are dragging us down? Lets talk about the auto industry and their unions. The government bailout of AIG turned a profit. The bailout of Detroit will result in tens of billions in losses. That doesn't count the money that the government spent on cash for clunkers to prop up the auto industry.





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Navytiger74
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"Favorite Poli Board statement EVER" Official 2013 Nominee !


Let's go ahead and emphasize that I meant federal civil service.

TIA.






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Lsupimp
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Got it.





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Navytiger74
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If you can't see the distinction, then that is a morality problem, not an intellectual one.


I see the difference, but the origin of their wasted dollars was neither the point of my post nor the one I was responding to. The implication was that people in the government don't know what the real world's like, as though it's some mysterious place where only the boldest and most competent survive economic downturns, whereas in the government you can show up and do shite for 20 years with no negative consequences.

That's not true by any stretch of the imagination.






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davesdawgs
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Federal employees whining--


Don't care. Way past time to cut the fat.






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Lsupimp
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private sector leeches

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AIG Auto Industry


Here's the rub.
They weren't leeches. They were FAILURES.
They became leeches precisely when THE GOVERNMENT went into partnership with them.
At this exact moment in history YOUR GRANDCHILDREN are bailing out present day GOVERNMENT LEECHES.
A little outrage now, maybe ?






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SM6
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They became leeches precisely when THE GOVERNMENT went into partnership with them.


Where is all the clamor for this then? I don't see anyone on here or in media lambasting them or the officials who allowed it.

Those are your elected officials. Direct the hate there.

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At this exact moment in history YOUR GRANDCHILDREN are bailing out present day GOVERNMENT LEECHES.
A little outrage now, maybe ?


Agreed. The fat needs to be cut. Both federal employees and entitlement programs.







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Godfather1
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Maybe I'm misreading something, but how does this not strike you guys as condescending


Unless you're just hypersensitive, it's not condescending at all.

It's a simple statement: if you're a federal employee, then that's the situation you chose to be in. You chose to be in a position that, while it might not necessarily pay as much as comparable private sector work, afforded you a level of job security you probably couldn't get in private industry. And that's fine. You gotta look out for you because nobody else will.

But that's a double-edged sword. If that perk of increased job security goes away, don't look to those of us who have been at risk all along in private industry for a whole lot of sympathy. It's a tough world and decisions have consequences.






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TigerBait69
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Way past time to cut the fat? When you want to cut the fat, do you take a steak knife and cut only the fat and leave the meat or take a butcher knife and lop off a chunk of it?

How can one put all federal employees in the same boat? That's like putting all people who work in the food industry (from a fry cook to the CEO of a MNC) in the same category.

I am a civilian who works in operations for the army. Why are people like me demonized for working for the government? I get crucified for doing the job for half the pay as a green-suiter. I'm also in the army reserves and get praised for that (and my jobs are essentially the same). I don't see the distinction. Oh and btw, to the people that are rejoicing at the thought of Americans loosing 20% of their pay while doing the same amount of work: should I get a third job to support my family and my pregnant wife? Are two military occupations not enough?






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Taxing Authority
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More and more it looks like the "government elites" vs. the private sector in America.
Exactly. Working for the government shouldn't be a guaranteed job. Jobs come, jobs go. Why should government be immune from normal human events?






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Aubie Spr96
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Dude,


We are going into debt because our gov't is too big. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this ends. If your business plan revolves around the federal gov't, at some point, it's doomed to fail. Sorry.






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Lsupimp
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I don't see anyone on here or in media lambasting them or the officials who allowed it.

Wait. Wut ? Pay attention bro. This board went APE shite.

I'm not sure I can keep doing this...






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RollTide1987
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The implication was that people in the government don't know what the real world's like, as though it's some mysterious place where only the boldest and most competent survive economic downturns, whereas in the government you can show up and do shite for 20 years with no negative consequences.


That's what I get out of this, too. To some on this board, my father is a leech who knows nothing of the real world. What they don't know is that my father grew up in a mobile home with three other siblings. They struggled to make end's meet for much of their childhood. His eldest sister got pregnant and dropped out of high school, his other two siblings graduated high school but never went any further with their education. My dad went to college, held down two jobs to pay his own way, and graduated with a degree - the first in his family to do so.

He worked for an airline, a private sector job, before getting involved with the FAA. He started out making around $15,000-$17,000 a year in 1984 and now makes well over $100,000. But because he did that in the public sector he's a drain on society.








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Navytiger74
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It's a simple statement: if you're a federal employee, then that's the situation you chose to be in. You chose to be in a position that, while it might not necessarily pay as much as comparable private sector work, afforded you a level of job security you probably couldn't get in private industry. And that's fine. You gotta look out for you because nobody else will.


Again, I don't understand the implication that they don't understand the situation that they are in. I don't get it. I've worked closely with civil servants for over 4 years (generally GS13-15) and they seem to have a pretty good handle on their jobs and the relative advantages and disadvantages. They aren't upset because they were confused about what's going on in the world. They're upset because of (1) the way this has been handled, and (2) because taking a 20% paycut would upset anyone in any circumstance no matter what the reason. I don't know your particular circumstances, but I'm sure that, being a private sector guy, you wouldn't simply shrug your shoulders and hold your chin up if you got a paycut or a layoff. You'd worry about your family, your retirement, your budget, etc. You'd say, "this shite sucks". That's normal. Why is it any different because your salary comes from the public coffers (which they pay into as well).

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don't look to those of us who have been at risk all along in private industry for a whole lot of sympathy. It's a tough world and decisions have consequences.


I don't think I know anyone who's looking to the private sector for sympathy or wondering "what's the private sector going to do for us". They're wondering when the president and congress will get their shite together.



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SM6
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Wait. Wut ? Pay attention bro. This board went APE shite.


I only recently started posting on this board.

I meant in more in that we are talking about the evils of government right now, but nobody is bringing this up, when a private sector company jumps on the federal teet. It's not okay for a person to work for the government? Then lets talk about private sector employees who owe their jobs to government intervention (right or wrong)

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I'm not sure I can keep doing this...


You can, and you will. You don't have anything better to do.






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RollTide1987
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I don't know your particular circumstances, but I'm sure that, being a private sector guy, you wouldn't simply shrug your shoulders and hold your chin up if you got a paycut or a layoff.


Of course he would. He works in the private sector so naturally he's used to such things happening to him and is better for it.







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Godfather1
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Again, I don't understand the implication that they don't understand the situation that they are in


I don't understand how you're drawing that implication from what I said.

I said just the opposite of that: they are QUITE aware of the perk of additional job security when they took the job. If that perk suddenly goes away, well that's too bad. It puts you in the same boat as those of us who haven't had that perk all along. Welcome to the club.

And yes, I've been laid off and taken pay cuts before, so despite my rhetoric, I do feel some sympathy for these folks in that regard. Your current circumstance is your current circumstance, no matter how you arrived at it.

But as I said...welcome to the club.






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Godfather1
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Of course he would. He works in the private sector so naturally he's used to such things happening to him and is better for it.


I know you're attempting to be a wiseass, but there's more truth in what you say than you know.

If you've never been laid off, then you don't know what it feels like to have to drag your arse out of bed the next morning and start beating the streets for your next paycheck. Believe me, it can be quite the character builder. Or in some cases, quite the character revealer.






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RollTide1987
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Yeah, well...my father still isn't in the same club as you. His job is pretty secure. The only thing that bothers him about this whole mess is his boss, the President of the United States, is so willing to play political football with his employees just to score political points on Republicans.

How many private sector employers do that on a regular basis?







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Antonio Moss
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My father is a Federal employee. He started with next to nothing in terms of salary almost 30 years ago. For nearly 30 years he worked his arse off and rose through the ranks. He wasn't an arse kisser, he didn't talk his way into promotions, he worked his way into them. Now he brings home six figures. Yeah...he didn't do it in the private sector, but how is what he did and what he went through any different from what an ordinary Joe does out there in a non-government job?



He's not. Therefore, he isn't immune from hard economic times like the rest of us.






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