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I B Freeman
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Scalia's racial entitlement remark

I read this today. Scalia is more right than wrong in what he says about racial entitlements and their place in politics. What is very disingenuous here is the comments by the black leaders. Somehow they think that requiring the voting oversight in the Civil Rights act to the few states it applies too is protecting voting rights yet I don't here them advocating of expanding that over sight to the rest of the states.

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Civil rights leaders outraged over Scalia’s ‘racial entitlement’ argument
By Liz Goodwin, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 4 hrs ago
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Civil rights leaders are up in arms over Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia's skeptical questions about a key portion of the Voting Rights Act, a cornerstone of the civil rights movement that brought an end to Jim Crow-era racial discrimination at the polls in the South.

In oral arguments over the law on Wednesday, Scalia, a stalwart of the court's conservative wing, suggested that the Voting Rights Act was overwhelmingly reauthorized in 2006 by Congress because the nation's politicians were afraid to oppose a "racial entitlement."

Scalia said that each time the Voting Rights Act has been reauthorized in the past 50 years, more and more senators supported it, even though the problem of racial discrimination at the polls has decreased over that time. "Now, I don't think that's attributable to the fact that it is so much clearer now that we need this," he said. "I think it is attributable, very likely attributable, to a phenomenon that is called perpetuation of racial entitlement. It's been written about. Whenever a society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult to get out of them through the normal political processes."

The Supreme Court was hearing arguments from Shelby County, Ala., that the nine states and assorted counties covered under the 1965 law no longer need special federal oversight to prevent them from discriminating against black voters.

Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., a major figure in the civil rights movement who was a former chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee, said on MSNBC that he was appalled by the comment. “It is an affront to all of what the civil rights movement stood for, what people died for, what people bled for, and those of us who marched across that bridge 48 years ago, we didn’t march for some racial entitlement,” he said. “We wanted to open up the political process and let all of the people come in, and it didn’t matter whether they were black or white, Latino, Asian-American or Native American.”

NAACP President Ben Jealous told ABC News, "The protection of the right to vote is an American entitlement. It is a democratic entitlement. And those who would seek to use incendiary rhetoric from the bench of the Supreme Court should think twice about their place in history."

The Rev. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson also criticized his remark.

Later on Wednesday, Justice Sonia Sotomayor appeared to indirectly reprimand Scalia for the comment, asking Shelby County's attorney Bert Rein whether he believes the right to vote protected under the act is a racial entitlement. Rein answered, "No."

Spencer Overton, a law professor at George Washington University and a fellow at the liberal think tank Demos, told Yahoo News that Scalia's comment represented a "political assumption that has no place in a court of law. His assumption raises questions about his ability to approach this case in an impartial manner, and it also suggests that the question of the persistence of voting discrimination is best left to Congress," Overton wrote in an email.

Justices often make controversial comments or ask provocative questions during oral arguments, and it's very difficult to predict a case's outcome simply by listening to the justices question the attorneys. But most court-watchers emerged from the oral arguments believing the portion of the Voting Rights Act that singles out states and counties with a history of racial discrimination at the polls—most of them in the South—will be struck down. Discriminating against minority voters would still be illegal under the act, but people who hope to challenge discriminatory actions would have to do so through the regular court process, which takes longer than the special pathway set up under the law.





doubleb
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The South lost the war, and parts of the Civil rights Act are a direct result of that.

The south has to obey federal law and do things the other states do not have to do.

I realize there was a good reason for the law, but all states aren't being treated equally and I suspect it never will.


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Newbomb Turk
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I think this falls under the category of "The Truth Hurts Sometimes."


Anytime the Feds are allowed to Gerrymander a district so perversely that a complete piece of pure f*cking filth like Cleo Fields can get in office, no one could argue with a straight face that it doesn't involve racial entitlement.

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udtiger
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VRA is so fricking unconstitutional.


L.A.
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Scalia is 100% correct.

I find it hypocritical of leftists who see the Constitution as some kind of "living, breathing" document that must change to keep up with the times have coniption fits when someone suggests that racial entitlements are anachronistic and should be done away with.


trackfan
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You're conveniently overlooking the fact that states and counties can and have been removed from oversight after they've demostrated good behavior for a period of time and states and counties that weren't originally included can be included if they demonstrate bad behavior.


trackfan
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VRA is so fricking unconstitutional.

In 2007, the U.S. Senate and W unanimously disagreed. Do you want judicial activists to overturn a law that was renewed 98-0 in the Senate and 390-38 in the House?


I B Freeman
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You're conveniently overlooking the fact that states and counties can and have been removed from oversight after they've demostrated good behavior for a period of time and states and counties that weren't originally included can be included if they demonstrate bad behavior.


Have they added Philadelphia yet???

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Nuts4LSU
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I don't here them advocating of expanding that over sight to the rest of the states.


Because they only need it in places where voting rights were denied to African-Americans in the past. The offending areas and states are on a sort of probation. You can argue that the probation has lasted long enough and they should be let off, but the principle of closer scrutiny of proven past offenders is sound.


trackfan
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For once I agree with you on something. Gerrymandered districts are the reason why there are so many right-wing and left-wing lunatics in Congress.


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trackfan
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Because they only need it in places where voting rights were denied to African-Americans in the past. The offending areas and states are on a sort of probation. You can argue that the probation has lasted long enough and they should be let off, but the principle of closer scrutiny of proven past offenders is sound.

Remember, there have been places that have gotten off of probabtion, but they demostrated good behavior for a period on 10 years in order to do so. If a state or county violates their probation, the clock gets reset.


I B Freeman
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Because they only need it in places where voting rights were denied to African-Americans in the past. The offending areas and states are on a sort of probation. You can argue that the probation has lasted long enough and they should be let off, but the principle of closer scrutiny of proven past offenders is sound.

Remember, there have been places that have gotten off of probabtion, but they demostrated good behavior for a period on 10 years in order to do so. If a state or county violates their probation, the clock gets reset.


Hold it. You mean this bill only applies to blacks?????


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trackfan
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Have they added Philadelphia yet???

Why should they? Perhaps you should quit listening to Hannity and Limbaugh and educate yourself on the facts.


I B Freeman
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Why should they? Perhaps you should quit listening to Hannity and Limbaugh and educate yourself on the facts.


You mean Black Panthers standing in the door of a polling place is not voter intimidation??? OH THEY ARE BLACK. I GOT IT.

It only applies when the KKK is standing there with sticks.


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Toddy
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I find it hypocritical of leftists who see the Constitution as some kind of "living, breathing" document that must change to keep up with the times have coniption fits when someone suggests that racial entitlements are anachronistic and should be done away with.



It is hypocritical and I agree with you completely.


BigBoyTiger
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Why should they? Perhaps you should quit listening to Hannity and Limbaugh and educate yourself on the facts.


So you're just going to ignore the most overt voting intimidation incident in the last 10 years because it doesn't fit your narrative?

Interesting.


L.A.
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It is hypocritical and I agree with you completely.
There's hope for the world, my gay brother.


I B Freeman
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So Philiadelphia does nothing to protect non black voters from intimidation from the New Black Panthers--a hate group according to the Southern Poverty Law Center and they are not added to the states who fall under the VRA voter protection enforcement .

How can this part of the law be Constitutional???


doubleb
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You're conveniently overlooking the fact that states and counties can and have been removed from oversight after they've demostrated good behavior for a period of time and states and counties that weren't originally included can be included if they demonstrate bad behavior


didn't realize that. Has anybody ever been added or subtracted?


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Toddy
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There's hope for the world, my gay brother.



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