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tehchampion140
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
Bow to the Brow
Member since Sep 2010
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re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league

If we start winning again like we did with CP3 then fans will start to show up. I wish there was better support for the team but that's pretty much the only way we will start filling up the arena again.
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Jizzy08
LSU Fan
Prairieville, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2008
4045 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
Went to my first Hornets game Sunday night. Just happened to be against the kings.


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quail man
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New York, NY
Member since May 2010
31786 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
What are those numbers by %filled?


WeeWee
USA Fan
wishing I was in death valley
Member since Aug 2012
14960 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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I really don't get it.


All bad teams have attendance problems.

quote:

The excuse "there's so much else to do in New Orleans on any given night" is overused. If anything, a Pelicans game is a great place to pregame before the party. NBA games pass pretty quickly.


Yeah it's a great place to pregame. I can't understand weekday nights but friday and saturday nights should have atleast 15k-16k.


JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
10274 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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Attendance sucks everywhere though--home experience is getting too good!


So if less fans are funding the game why do the players keep making more? You'd think if there is less demand, there is less money.


Weebie
New Orleans Saints Fan
NOLA
Member since Dec 2012
3717 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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All bad teams have attendance problems.


not true in anyway, shape, or form. attendance for all teams under .500 right now -


Dallas: 25-31
19,981 / 104.1%

Portland: 26-30
19,765 / 95%

Los Angeles Lakers: 28-30
18,997 / 99.7%

Toronto: 23-34
18,125 / 91.5%

Orlando: 16-41
17,715 / 94%

Minnesota: 20-34
16,565 / 85.6%

Philadelphia: 22-33
16,469 / 81%

Washington: 18-37
15,989 / 78.9%

Cleveland: 19-38
15,950 / 77.6%

Charlotte: 13-44
15,646 / 82%

Phoenix: 19-39
15,169 / 82.3%

Detroit: 22-37
13,985 / 63.4%

New Orleans: 20-38
13,504 / 78.6% (second smallest NBA arena)

Sacramento: 19-39
13,473 / 77.8% (smallest NBA arena, team moving)



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504Voodoo
New Orleans Pelicans Fan
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2012
3805 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
Well the Hornicans just announced that they are lowering the ticket prices next year. FWIW, The announced ticket price changes just seem to mimmick the prices you can currently get on Stubhub for a game.


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Weebie
New Orleans Saints Fan
NOLA
Member since Dec 2012
3717 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
only 7 out of 30 NBA teams average less than 80% of the arena filled -

New Orleans
Sacramento
Detroit
Milwaukee
Atlanta
Cleveland
Washington

New Orleans has the third worst percentage average in the NBA with 78.6%, but that number is terribly fabricated because they have a HUGE advantage over 29 out of all 30 teams because they have the second smallest arena in the NBA (Kings with the smallest). therefor the percentage numbers for New Orleans will always look better than most NBA teams despite having terrible attendance.
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GumBro Jackson
Auburn Fan
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2011
2173 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
Does everyone think it is mostly the team's struggles that are causing the attendance problems? Definitely the team is down this year, but other teams with worse records (Bobcats, Magic, etc) have better attendance, and it isn't like Charlotte is known as an amazing NBA city.

I would have thought the #1 draft pick would have helped bump the numbers, but this is the worst year since the early/mid 2000's.

Do people think that the rebrand next season will help or that it will almost completely be a function of how the does in the win-loss columns?


Weebie
New Orleans Saints Fan
NOLA
Member since Dec 2012
3717 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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Does everyone think it is mostly the team's struggles that are causing the attendance problems? Definitely the team is down this year, but other teams with worse records (Bobcats, Magic, etc) have better attendance, and it isn't like Charlotte is known as an amazing NBA city.

I would have thought the #1 draft pick would have helped bump the numbers, but this is the worst year since the early/mid 2000's.

Do people think that the rebrand next season will help or that it will almost completely be a function of how the does in the win-loss columns?




the honest to God truth and the elephant in the room that no one ever wants to address is the fact that the Gulf South is not a good basketball market. even when the Hornets were a solid playoff teams for three seasons the attendance was never anything to brag about. the absolute best attendance year for the Hornets was the 2008-09 season immediately following the season before where they made a decent playoff run (second round) and the average attendance that season was 16,968. prior to that season it was around 14k and then the very next season in 2010 it was around 15k and it hasn't been higher than that ever since.

the only way this team will ever get good fan support is if they win a championship plain and simple and it would only last while and only when the team is winning. that is not a good thing. that tells you the market here is terrible for basketball.


HeadyBrosevelt
Hawaii Fan
the Verde River
Member since Jan 2013
20435 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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the only way this team will ever get good fan support is if they win a championship plain and simple and it would only last while and only when the team is winning. that is not a good thing. that tells you the market here is terrible for basketball.


It's true.

Homers on this board will argue otherwise, but in reality it is hard to get people to go to games. Most people I know could give two shits about the Hornets. I have a small core of friends that follow the team and that is it.

It will always be a football town.

Although I would love to see more people go to games, whatevs. I take advantage of the seats available to lounge out. I can get rowdy and not spill beer on anyone and sometimes even get away with a quick puff


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saintsfan92612
New Orleans Saints Fan
a pretty good city
Member since Oct 2008
20782 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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So if less fans are funding the game why do the players keep making more? You'd think if there is less demand, there is less money.


I don't think you realize just how little ticket sales figures factor into the NBA revenue...


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Jester
LSU Fan
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
17459 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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So if less fans are funding the game why do the players keep making more? You'd think if there is less demand, there is less money.


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CrippleCreek
LSU Fan
Member since Apr 2012
2209 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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Do people think that the rebrand next season will help or that it will almost completely be a function of how the does in the win-loss columns?




I'm pretty convinced the re-brand is depressing ticket sales within this season. By announcing that the Hornets are no more, there is no reason to get invested in this team, even though most of the faces will remain the same.

It's a kick in the pants for now, in exchange for hopefully a more stable future.


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lsutigersFTW
LSU Fan
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2008
3661 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
I remember early during our 56 win 2007-2008 season, we played Detroit and only 9,000 people were there. We're just not a basketball state, and people won't show up unless we're winning.
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42
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2012
3703 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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the honest to God truth and the elephant in the room that no one ever wants to address is the fact that the Gulf South is not a good basketball market.


The NBA disagreed in 2002, 2007, and 2012.

The honest to god truth is that the Hornets lack substantial corporate support and the key factors for getting attendance up: winning this season, winning last season, star power, legacy.

The other honest to god truth is that ATTENDANCE ISN'T AN ISSUE!!!! If it was, they wouldn't lower prices. Rather, they'd say, "The prices are fine, the team is fine; support the team or we are gone (in 2024)." That isn't happening. Rather, they are adjusting prices to fit the market with full knowledge of what the market factors really are.

Why not track hot dog sales? Temperature in the Arena? Which drink machines fill cups the most? Those matter just as much at present.

So keep focusing on useless things (at this times), keep raging at EXPECTED PERFORMANCE, keep complaining to complain. Meanwhile, others will focus on things that are relevant.


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42
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2012
3703 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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I remember early during our 56 win 2007-2008 season, we played Detroit and only 9,000 people were there. We're just not a basketball state, and people won't show up unless we're winning.


The idea of a "basketball state" is a figment of the imagination of some.


HeadyBrosevelt
Hawaii Fan
the Verde River
Member since Jan 2013
20435 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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The idea of a "basketball state" is a figment of the imagination of some.


Not really. I can go to a random bar uptown and talk to the dude next to me about the Saints all night. Bring up the Hornets and the most I can get out is a "aren't they changing to the Pelicans" or "don't the suck?"



42
New Orleans Saints Fan
Member since Apr 2012
3703 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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Not really. I can go to a random bar uptown and talk to the dude next to me about the Saints all night. Bring up the Hornets and the most I can get out is a "aren't they changing to the Pelicans" or "don't the suck?"


Wow. This is far from your best work. First, address the state concept, then don't distract with some false excluded middle.

Maybe make a map of the basketball parishes?

I guess no one has really looked at the number NBA players and Hall of Famers this `non-basketball state' produces relative to its population? Or maybe that doesn't matter . . . athletes just end up playing basketball without being into said sports, family that go to those games, etc. States just build and renovate NBA Arenas automatically with public money. Happens all the time.

Please.

Please.

Read, then think. Then we'll try.


HeadyBrosevelt
Hawaii Fan
the Verde River
Member since Jan 2013
20435 posts

re: Hornets and Kings having a great battle at worst attendance in the league
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I guess no one has really looked at the number NBA players and Hall of Famers this `non-basketball state' produces relative to its population?


I know for fact the NFL has more. That argument doesn't really work anyway. Louisiana has produced a bunch of MLB players,too. Could they support a big league team?

Look man, like I said earlier. I don't mind having extra room around my seats at the arena. It gives me more freedom to do whatever the frick I want. Spill beer, throw nachos, dance like I'm at a jam band concert, etc... It just gets depressing sometimes looking at an empty arena. I want people to come.




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