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If these comments surprise or upset you, perhaps the OT is not for you.

Not my first rodeo
It doesn't upset or surprise me at all, just making a comment.






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Walt OReilly
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good for this kid





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Does anyone know what "90 percent success rate" means specifically?

What percent are false positives?



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sounds like a ghey



My $3 queer detection test is measuring off the charts on this one.






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As much as I try not to get into conspiracy theories, there's been plenty of examples over time of big corporations burying/trying to bury inventions that are cheaper and more effective, just to keep their $$$$.


This. ATT, for example, buried the tech for an answering machine for 60 years because they were worried it would negatively affect phone usage.

"The recording machine is only one example of a technology that AT&T, out of such fears, would for years suppress or fail to market: fiber optics, mobile telephones, digital subscriber lines (DSL), facsimile machines, speakerphones - the list goes on and on. These technologies, ranging from novel to revolutionary, were simply too daring for Bell's comfort. Without a reliable sense of how they might affect the Bell system, AT&T and its heirs would deploy each with painfully slow caution, if at all."

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As much as I try not to get into conspiracy theories, there's been plenty of examples over time of big corporations burying/trying to bury inventions that are cheaper and more effective, just to keep their $$$$.


Not to get off topic but this is true a lot. The automotive guy that developed and was trying to produce hydrogen powered cars I beleive and suddenly just disappeared and was found dead. We have the technology to build every kind of automobile or piece of machinery to run on anything other than gas, diesel, oil. But the oil companies will not allow it. And kill these things before they can be brought out in public.






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This, they have the ability to make tires that would last the lifetime of a car. Wouldn't sell as many.





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Just goes to show you that a lot of big medicine is just in it to sell their stuff.


Do you know what goes into developing something like this? If you listened to his lecture, you would know that he spent weeks just trying to find one of thousands of proteins to test (the 4000th one he looked at). In order to do something like this, you have to find something very unique to that disease process, and hope that it's in detectable levels. Then, he spent 7 months just trying to make it work. So, the cost of all these things is because you have to: 1) research and sometimes find and isolate a specific protein to test, 2) develop a test that detects it, and is sensitive enough to detect it, and is specific enough to not be something else that's being detected, 3) test it (going through 4 stages of testing). All that adds up to many, many years, and a lot of money if research, development, and testing against the gold standard.

There are many types of lung, pancreatic, and ovarian cancer. My question is does this detect all those forms. Because each one will overexpress certain proteins, while others underexpress it. If this truly does what he says, it would be revolutionary.






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We have the technology to build every kind of automobile or piece of machinery to run on anything other than gas, diesel, oil. But the oil companies will not allow it. And kill these things before they can be brought out in public.




The very second that ANY alternative fuel becomes cheaper and more efficient than oil, Exxon et. al. will be the first ones to capitalize on it. Big Oil should be called Big Energy - in 100 years Exxon will probably be the largest hydrogen fuel producer in the world. They follow the money, and if an alternative fuel is a better route, they will be right behind it.






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And the reason that 15 yo kid was able to pull it off is because he clearly doesn't have testicles and therefore wasn't distracted by the strange new urgings in his loins.



and loins is such a great word

But seriously, good on the kid. Whatever he is doesn't matter. he came up with something brilliant and will hopefully help a lot of people.






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How the frick can you pay all of the costs associated with conducting the test and it only cost $.03?



ETA: Big medicine? Get the frick out of this country and go get your little medicine somewhere else, them come back and let us know how great the quality is. The gov't fricks up every industry, then the idiots (mostly liberals) in this country throw a big or evil in front of the industry name. It's never the douchebags in Washington that are to blame.




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dawgfan24348
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He's white

Suck it Asians






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But seriously, good on the kid. Whatever he is doesn't matter. he came up with something brilliant and will hopefully help a lot of people.


Agreed. I went to a pancreatic cancer and a breast cancer funeral for two dear friends in the same week this summer. My grandmother also died from pancreatic cancer. I'm just kidding around OT style about the kids lack of testicles.

His lack of testicles may result in countless saved lives.






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Apparently, after listening to him, I am a 32 y/o dumbass






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Some people are just pathetic.


An alarming number of them post here.






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dengle
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Some big company will pay him a ton of money and take it off the market... If it is ever approved. Don't underestimate the lobbying ability of those big multinational conglomerates.
I disagree. If this assay is as robust and cheap as it claims, lab companies are going to be climbing over each other to buy this technology.

The novelty of this design is its ability to be cheap and sensitive, not just that it can detect this specific protein. The nanotube design can be fitted with just about any antibody for the rapid and cheap detection of almost any protein in the body. That is HUGE and could potentially save a lot of time and money if readily available.






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dengle
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Corporate America and the Gov't will pay this kid large amounts of money for the trademark to "produce" it for him and it'll never appear on the market in order to protect all the people currently making bank on cancer in the medical world. It's sad, but I suspect it will happen. Just like I think most "green" energy is a hoax and a reason to jack up oil prices. They could find an efficient form of alternate energy if they wanted to, but oil makes too much money. Just watch when the reserves really get low, they'll have some new "breakthrough" technology all of a sudden.
Tumor markers aren't the end-all-be-all that the article makes them out to be. Cancer still requires imaging and biopsy to confirm diagnosis.

Think of this test as a screening test, which requires a confirmatory test to actually make the diagnosis. This definitely could fit within the existing framework of cancer care without disrupting the pockets of big medicine/pharma.

I see this as the PSA of our generation. A tool for cancer screening, and I think you'll be seeing studies testing its validity within the next couple of years.






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Good for this kid. Now he needs to focus on the cure for cancer not just a 'test' to see if you have it. I am interested to see the data on this. Hell, I'm hoping once he goes to college and takes medical biotech, etc he can invent a cheaper and faster way to run individual genomes which would help greatly in the actual treatment not just diagnosis.

The reason pancreatic cancer has a much more severe death rate than others is bc of the metabolic processes that rely on the pancreas. Once the pancreas no longer secretes the digestive enzymes and insulin it's only a matter of time unfortunately.






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tigerfan4120
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Note how it says nothing about how specific his test is for detecting the cancer. I suspect there is a reason for that.

SENSITIVITY = TP / TP + FN
SPECIFICITY = TN / TN + FP

Let’s say you have a group of 1000. 200 have cancer, 800 do not. You test the entire group with this kid’s assay and 600 of them test positive for the protein from which his test is based. 199 of the 200 who actually have the cancer test positive. ES UN MILAGRO!!! The test is 99.5% sensitive for this cancer!! But wait, what about those 401 poor saps who tested positive for cancer who don’t actually have the disease? The test is only about 50% specific. You have to walk into the room and tell them they might have pancreatic cancer, which is all but a death sentence. No big deal.

So in actuality a test that is 99.5% sensitive could be an awful, awful screening test, where you typically are willing to sacrifice sensitivity for the sake of specificity.

Winning a fricking science fair =/= having a magic bullet for pancreatic cancer detection. Could it potentially be a good idea? Sure. I assure you that if it is a good test it will find its way to the market. But let’s pump the brakes a bit.






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tigerfan4120
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re: 15 year old says "F You" to big medicine, develops $.03 cancer test that is


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Good for this kid. Now he needs to focus on the cure for cancer not just a 'test' to see if you have it. I am interested to see the data on this. Hell, I'm hoping once he goes to college and takes medical biotech, etc he can invent a cheaper and faster way to run individual genomes which would help greatly in the actual treatment not just diagnosis. The reason pancreatic cancer has a much more severe death rate than others is bc of the metabolic processes that rely on the pancreas. Once the pancreas no longer secretes the digestive enzymes and insulin it's only a matter of time unfortunately.


Not really. The reason pancreatic cancer is fatal is because by the time symptoms manifest themselves the cancer has widely metastasized. You can live without a fully functioning pancreas.

So in actuality devising a screening test that detects pancreatic cancer with both sensitivity and specificity, while not being a treatment itself, would probably increase survival rates dramatically. However, implementing such a test on a population scale for a cancer that is rather rare is probably not feasible from a cost stand point.






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