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and I hope that Hicks would win the job if Will Smith stayed on the team or if he ended up leaving.

the only thing that worries me about Hicks is that I think the our coaches/scouts could have put too much stock into what he did in the East-West Shrine Game at practice that week. Does that sound familiar?

I mean Sedrick Ellis dominated at the Senior Bowl and the coaches were all over him that week. I don't know... it probably is just a half arse assumption I'm making but hey, we're just two fans talking on a message board.



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Ellis wasn't all from the game but it did help his stock

My opinion is that the head and character of these guys is the as important, or possibly more so, than the athletic performance.

I think this- Give any 22 year old (like Ellis in 2008) a guaranteed $19.5 million and you better know if they have the drive and dedication to excel at the highest level. Someone as skilled as he could certainly perform at less than 100% and still collect the money. Hell, he has collected over $33million being on a more bad than good defense while here. If he never plays a down in his life again he is set (unless he Vince Young's it).

I have a beef that I thought deserved discussion-

You have players that outperform their draft contracts substantially (like Graham). They usually get an early long term deal to somewhat makeup in compensation (like Colston). The bad part is that when they underperform the team is in essence stuck with them cuz they don't wanna take the cap hit. There should be more recourse to deal with those who take the money and run.






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I think this- Give any 22 year old (like Ellis in 2008) a guaranteed $19.5 million and you better know if they have the drive and dedication to excel at the highest level. Someone as skilled as he could certainly perform at less than 100% and still collect the money. Hell, he has collected over $33million being on a more bad than good defense while here. If he never plays a down in his life again he is set (unless he Vince Young's it).


good point. I hadn't thought about that..he signed well before they agreed on the new rookie wage scale.

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My opinion is that the head and character of these guys is the as important, or possibly more so, than the athletic performance.


Floyd is a player who has good character. At least according to what they have to say about him from Scouts Inc.

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You have players that outperform their draft contracts substantially (like Graham). They usually get an early long term deal to somewhat makeup in compensation (like Colston). The bad part is that when they underperform the team is in essence stuck with them cuz they don't wanna take the cap hit. There should be more recourse to deal with those who take the money and run.


I guess it is all just a hit or miss type of situation. Good thing for us, Colston had another productive season. And look at what happened with Carl Nicks. He takes a nice lucrative deal with Tampa Bay but goes down with an injury.


Anyway, consider me a big fan of Floyd. It looks like he'll go before our pick but I'd love to get him. I guess I'm just not as high on some of the other OLB's that would be available at #15. Mingo is interesting and so is Ansah but I can't get hyped up about Dion Jordan.







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I can't get hyped up about Dion Jordan.

a lot more opportunity the next few days

Walter update
New Orleans Saints: Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon
The Saints fired Steve Spagnuolo and announced that they are moving to a 3-4 defense. A new scheme doesn't mean they'll be able to fix their old problems, however. They still need to find a top pass-rusher to make things easier for an overmatched secondary. Dion Jordan makes a ton of sense here as one of the top prospects available.

*** OTHER 2013 NFL DRAFT POSSIBILITIES: ***

1. Barkevious Mingo or Jarvis Jones, DE/OLB - More pass-rushing options for the Saints' new 3-4.

2. Johnathan Hankins, NT - Brodrick Bunkley is currently slated to be the team's nose tackle. New Orleans may not view him as a viable option for the position. If that's the case, Johnathan Hankins will be considered.






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a lot more opportunity the next few days


okay, I'll try...

I find myself taking a little more of a pessimistic approach this year than usual because our recent top draft picks on defense have been... well you know



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http://www.ourlads.com/nfl-mock-draft/2013/

1
Kansas City Geno Smith QB West Virginia 6030 220 4.75
Demonstrates good accuracy vertically as well as horizontally. Sudden release. Snaps ball out to perimeter receivers after setting his feet. Ready to pull the trigger at all times. Right on target with his passes.
2
Jacksonville Luke Joeckel* LOT Texas A&M 6060 315 5.00
Productive left tackle with the height, flexibility, arm length, and foot quickness required for an elite performer. Lines up in a preset stance ready to pass protect or block down. Has quick enough feet to kick step and shuffle. Good balance and use of hands.
3
Oakland Damontre Moore* DE/OB Texas A&M 6036 255 4.65
A versatile edge rusher who can be scheme diverse in the 4-3 or 3-4 packages. Uses his long arms to ward off blocks. Doesn’t stay blocked. Has a burst to the quarterback once he clears his feet on a delayed rush. A quick and disruptive penetrator. Plays low with good knee bend and leverage.
4
Philadelphia Eric Fisher LOT Central Michigan 6072 305 5.15
An explosive knee bender with good leg drive and strength to control defender. Good body control with the ability to recover against a two move pass rusher. Solid punch and use of hands. Mentally tough and consistent in his play.
5
Detroit Dee Milliner* DC Alabama 6010 200 4.45
Smooth and fluid in his movement with little wasted motion. Good body control and ball skills. Can stick his foot in the ground and drive hard on the ball. Plays with good instincts and awareness.
6
Cleveland Bjoern Werner* DE Florida State 6040 275 4.75
A fast twitch and relentless player who impacts the timing of a quarterback. Explosive off the ball and has a burst to the quarterback once he sheds the blocker. Innate ability to create big plays. Gets his hands up in the throwing lane. Plays low to leverage the blocker and set the edge of the defense.
7
Arizona Matt Barkley QB USC 6020 230 4.85
Accurate outside the pocket throwing the ball on the run. Poised in the pocket where he can sidestep a rush and still hit a target on the move. Quick to the throwing point on three and five step drop patterns. Good ball placement to receivers out of their breaks.
8
Buffalo Star Lotulelei DT Utah 6037 320 5.00
An explosive big man with upfield push. Ideal build for an interior defender. Good change of direction. Almost always draws a double team. Always on the field. Rarely gets a break. Dominant inside force who is big, thick, and quick. Has quick reactions to find the ball. Plays with balance and effective use of hands.
9
New York Ezekiel Ansah DE/OB Brigham Young 6052 274 4.90
A raw but talented and disruptive high effort athlete who finishes long pursuit. Long arms and big hands to control a blocker. Struggled all week during Senior Bowl practices, but when Saturday came, he jumped out of the phone booth with his cape on. An ascending, hungry player who can turn it loose.
10
Tennessee Sheldon Richardson* DT Missouri 6030 295 4.79
Good instincts and feel for the game. Explosive initial quickness to control the blocker. A good effort player who can run in pursuit or skate down the line and stuff the run. Rare production. He registered 14 tackles and a sack versus the Alabama offensive line.
11
San Diego Jarvis Jones* OB Georgia 6020 242 4.59
Lines up all over the field to create the most advantageous blocking matchup to rush the passer. A good athlete who can run sideline to sideline to make plays. Knack to make something happen. A downhill player who is explosive off the edge. Quickness to slip blocks. Intense, competitive, and tough. Medical checkup at Combine will help determine draft position.
12
Miami Cordarrelle Patterson* WR Tennessee 6027 205 4.45
A junior college transfer who is a dynamic and unique receiver as well as a dangerous return specialist. Has undeniable God-given ability and instincts. Catches the ball well away from his body. Electric with the ball in his hands.
13
Tampa Bay Johnthan Banks DC Mississippi State 6010 186 4.50
Good hands and ball skills. Experienced at both press and off coverage. Active in run support. Good length for the position. Used as a blitzer off the edge at times and disrupts backfield action.
14
Carolina Johnathan Hankins* DT Ohio State 6040 325 5.25
Plays hard inside out to the perimeter. Good lateral quickness and change of direction. Presses the pocket and forces the quarterback to scramble. Gives pursuit effort. Can stop and stack at the point of attack.
15
New Orleans Barkevious Mingo* OB LSU 6040 238 4.55
A competitor with excellent lateral quickness. Runs plays down from the backside like a cheetah chasing a gazelle. Athletic enough to create inside pass rush pressure on stunts. Fast, quick, and explosive in his play. Can leverage a tackle back to the quarterback. A natural 3-4 rush outside linebacker. Will be new defensive coordinator Rob Ryan's Demarcus Ware.




solid mock IMO






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New Orleans Barkevious Mingo* OB LSU 6040 238 4.55
A competitor with excellent lateral quickness. Runs plays down from the backside like a cheetah chasing a gazelle. Athletic enough to create inside pass rush pressure on stunts. Fast, quick, and explosive in his play. Can leverage a tackle back to the quarterback. A natural 3-4 rush outside linebacker. Will be new defensive coordinator Rob Ryan's Demarcus Ware.







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i want vacarro





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Wish granted brah!







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no, give him up to date goat



(prolly has no clue)






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prolly





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Tyler Wilson





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Pretty sure yall prob disagree but I like Rhodes later in the 1st. Acheivable by trading down in 1st and HOPEFULLY pick up later 2nd and taking Kyle Long (OT) from Oregon. Besides Joeckel and Johnson, Long looked most fluid in his hips today paired with good measurables. Very disappointed in Fishers performance today. This is also banking on Blues prediction in going after Paul Kruger in FA.





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Rhodes stock seems to be falling. I dunno if he is the #2 CB on the board. Tight between Banks, Poyer, Trufant and him.
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Blues prediction in going after Paul Kruger in FA.

Just to be clear, I didn't predict it. I just offered it as an alternative. A top free agent signing at OLB or OT then draft the other in Rd 1, either way.

Jake Long is a UFA btw







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That's why I suggested "Kyle Long" instead of Jake Long. As far as your "alternative plan", just stating that I agreed with your observation on signing Kruger in FA.





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Wat about Sheldon Richardson not saying we should but wat do u guys think of him





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as a 4-3 DT he's top 2-3, dunno if he can even make the list as a 3-4 NT





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Rhodes stock seems to be falling


How was it falling before his combine? After today, it's climbing. Clearly the#2 CB after today. Should be gone before 15, but if he falls I like him.






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post combine ones rolling out now...

kenny wilkerson

15. New Orleans Saints - If the Saints let LT Jermon Bushrod go this offseason (unlikely), they'll regret it in this scenario, where the top three offensive tackles are gone. New Orleans native Alabama RT DJ Fluker is the next man up, but is a prototype power run right tackle - not a great fit for the Saints.

In the previous two mock drafts, we picked Montgomery and then Jenkins for the Saints, who need to re-tool at linebacker and don't have a true nose tackle on the roster. The 3-4 nose tackle is one of the most challenging positions in all of football, and heading into the new formation without a two-gap run stuffer is impossible.

Is 4-3 DT Brodrick Bunkley up to the challenge at nose tackle, or can the Rob Ryan scheme away from having that two-gap plugger in the middle? The Saints will look to address the difficult no-glamour position in free agency first. Standard operating procedure for Mickey Loomis would be to address nose tackle on the veteran market, as the Saints' GM never enters a draft with gaping holes in a depth chart.

Top front-7 prospects on the board now are both LSU pass rushers Barkevious Mingo and Sam Montogomery, Missouri DT Sheldon Richardson, Alabama DT Jesse Williams, Georgia DT Johnathan Jenkins, and Ohio State DT Johnathan Hankins.

Texas S Kenny Vaccaro is also a legitimate consideration here, especially if the Saints choose to eliminate Roman Harper's contract and save $3.6 million in cap space. If released, Harper would still cost the Saints $2.5 million in cap space, so it makes sense to keep Harper. Vaccaro is an excellent all-around safety with top notch cover skills and tackling power, but front seven issues are more pressing if Harper remains a Saint. Mississippi State CB Johnthan Banks here is a top cornerback prospect and a good value pick, but only if the Saints ignore the needs of the new defensive scheme.

Of the defensive tackles Richardson would be the least scheme fit for the Saints, while Williams, Jenkins and Hankins are wide-body run defenders better suited for a 3-4 scheme. Any would provide competition and youth to the new defensive front, but would have less impact than a potential star at edge pass rusher.

With the best available player strategy, Mingo has to be in consideration. At 6'4, 241, Mingo has a tall, lanky frame, blazing speed and played defensive end at 4-3 pro-style LSU, though he dropped in coverage and was asked to do contain regularly. His outrageous speed was confirmed with a 4.58s 40 at the combine. Quick off the snap, the West Monroe, Louisiana native filled game film with quarterbacks hurried out of the pocket, passing lanes disrupted and runningbacks chased down from behind in the backfield. Just watch the 2011 film of LSU vs Oregon. Mingo starred at the combine as expected, with a great 37" vertical and tied for the top long jump of all defensive linemen at 10'8".

While almost always down in a three or four point stance at LSU, Mingo regularly lined up outside the tight end, and so is used to playing in space. His statistics were limited in 2012 as LSU used him regularly as a down defensive end in three-lineman formations, throwing him into double teams again and again. Mingo also regularly played outside contain or shallow zones. He is more than a run-behind-the-passer edge rusher. He's smart, locates the ball and takes good angles of pursuit.

In his last bowl game, Mingo notched three TFL's, half a sack, a forced fumble, two solo and three assist tackles. The hit he put on Sammy Watkins on Clemson's first drive was classic Mingo - runningback hit in the backfield, fumbles. And yet, Mingo left LSU with unfulfilled potential and a so-so stat line left uncapped by a senior season. Added strength will improve his rich portfolio of pass rush moves, including a good spin move.

Far from set at 3-4 outside linebacker with just Martez Wilson and Junior Gallete, the Saints will need more pass rushers to rotate. Mingo wouldn't be expected to start right away and that's good - he'll take some time to adjust to the game while being used in focused situations by Rob Ryan. But adding LSU DE Barkevious "KeKe" Mingo to the rotation here is not only drafting best available player, but an excellent addition to the Saints' new 3-4 pass rush.






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