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joshnorris14 
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 3:44 pm to HempHead)
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No one would give a rat's arse about the moral foundation if it did not follow into real world applicability, though.
I don't think that is true at all. If you're looking for instant conversion it won't happen regardless of how solidly constructed your argument is. Even if people think that Anarcho-Capitalism isn't palatable in the real world, if you introduce the NAP to them they can break down that barrier themselves over time (Which is what happened with me).
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LynchMane
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:02 pm to Drew Orleans)
The Road to Serfdom by Hayek.
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Joshjrn 
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:23 pm to joshnorris14)
For a foundation, I'm currently partial to Hoppe's argumentation ethics. Though I will admit, the moral arguments feel good.
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joshnorris14
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:28 pm to Joshjrn)
I haven't read enough Hoppe, admittedly.
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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:29 pm to LynchMane)
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The Road to Serfdom by Hayek.
not good enough. He supported social programs
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HempHead 
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not good enough. He supported social programs
As do you, if past threads are any indication.
Hayek's support for government programs does not undermine his other contributions. Road to Serfdom was rather popular but not as important as his other works, mostly Monetary Theory and the Trade Cycle and Prices and Production.
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joshnorris14
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:35 pm to HempHead)
I agree. Hayek is my least favorite Austrian (I hardly consider him an Austrian though, he wasn't a Praxeologist) but his work in business cycle theory is about as important as it gets.
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Zach
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The Road to Serfdom by Hayek. not good enough. He supported social programs
No, he did not. Have you read RTS?? I did. And my copy is right here in my office. Can you tell me the page number where Hayek supported social programs?
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Joshjrn
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:42 pm to joshnorris14)
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I haven't read enough Hoppe, admittedly.
Economics and Ethics of Private Property. His groundwork for Argumentation Ethics is in Chapter 13, On the Ultimate Justification of the Ethics of Private Property. Pages 339-345.
LINK
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HempHead
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:44 pm to Zach)
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Zach
P. 148, at least in my edition.
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There is no reason why, in a society which has reached the general level of wealth ours has, the first kind of security should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom; that is: some minimum of food, shelter and clothing, sufficient to preserve health. Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision.
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joshnorris14
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 4:46 pm to Zach)
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No, he did not.
Yes he did Zach. I don't remember what pages he said it on, but I was shocked myself when I read it.
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There is no reason why, in a society which has reached the general level of wealth ours has, the first kind of security should not be guaranteed to all without endangering general freedom; that is: some minimum of food, shelter and clothing, sufficient to preserve health. Nor is there any reason why the state should not help to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance in providing for those common hazards of life against which few can make adequate provision
- Freidrich Hayek, Road to Serfdom
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SabiDojo 
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 5:04 pm to CherryGarciaMan)
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Begin with the original: "Rights of Man" by Thomas Payne.
Not the original.
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FourZero
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 5:09 pm to joshnorris14)
Also
Economic Policy: Thoughts for Today and Tomorrow by Ludwig von Mises
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Joshjrn
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 5:29 pm to joshnorris14)
Josh, when you get the chance to read that little excerpt, let me know what you think.
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joshnorris14
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/15/13 at 5:47 pm to Joshjrn)
I'm two pages in and this seems to be the basis for the self-ownership axiom.
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Drew Orleans
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/16/13 at 9:07 am to joshnorris14)
I appreciate all the suggestions...
Can we come to an agreement of which one or two would be best to read first?
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Joshjrn
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/16/13 at 10:27 am to Drew Orleans)
That's going to come down to your attention span. You need to decide whether you want something that will cover points A through Z, or something that jumps around a bit more but is 600 pages shorter.
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joshnorris14
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/16/13 at 11:51 am to Drew Orleans)
Ethics of Liberty or Man, Economy, State
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RollTide4Ever
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/16/13 at 4:24 pm to Ace Midnight)
Nah, Walters book is up to date and Sowell praised it.
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Srbtiger06 
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| re: Book Suggestion (Libertarian) (Posted on 2/16/13 at 4:36 pm to RollTide4Ever)
This thread kicks ass. My "to read" list is full for a while now 
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