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Darth_Vader 
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:20 pm to Sophandros)
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I want to know at what point in the evening did the driver say, "I'm going to kill two kids tonight." You know, actually have the intent to kill another human being. Words have actual meanings. Lord Vader seems to forget that.
There is no excusing anyone that knowingly gets behind the wheel drunk. They know fully well what they are doing could kill someone but instead of being responsible and letting someone else drive them, they choose to drive drunk and if someone dies then that just sucks for them.
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Darth_Vader
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:22 pm to F machine)
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at's what I'm asking, wher edid the .04 level come from? I did not see that mentioned in the OP.
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I assume it's in a link or something? I'm just taking everyone else's word for it.
I'm just going by the OP where the news story said his blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit. That indicates to me the guy was drunk.
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Paedin 
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:24 pm to Rickety Cricket)
I think the fact that the father no knowing the driver was drunk will work on his behalf. Just goes to show it was temporary insanity and not meditated. This guy watched his kids get killed, snaped and thats all.
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Sophandros 
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:28 pm to Darth_Vader)
I responded to RAGINCAJUN, who brought up that other case.
Try to keep up.
Like it or not, when someone unintentionally collides with another, it's an accident.
Murder and homicide are alike in that both have the same outcome. However, intent has to and is taken into account, both from a legal and a moral point of view.
No one is absolving the person who had a few drinks and drove. You're constructing a straw man there.
What we are saying is that even if the driver had a BAC of .3, the shooter had no right, legally or morally, to leave the scene, return, execute the driver, and hide evidence.
Period.
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RogerTheShrubber 
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:29 pm to Sophandros)
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Furthermore, the shooter had no way of knowing that the driver was 'drunk' when he committed his act.
Whole lot of folks pretending they know stuff they don't know. Neither you nor I have a clue what actually transpired in detail.
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:31 pm to Sophandros)
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What we are saying is that even if the driver had a BAC of .3, the shooter had no right, legally or morally, to leave the scene, return, execute the driver, and hide evidence.
True, but it's not necessarily "cold blooded murder" as some think it is. There will be considerations.
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Darth_Vader
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:31 pm to Darth_Vader)
I just googled this. I can't find anything about a "legal limit" for minors in Texas. This chart shows the legal limits by body weight (what did this guy weigh?) and how many drinks it takes to get to that point.
Notice how a man who weighs 200 lbs with a blood alcohol level of .04 is shown with
"Driving Skills Significantly Affected". And he reaches this point after only two drinks. So if this guy was average size and his blood alcohol level was .04, then he had no business driving.
This came from a website of a lawyer who appears to be a drunk driver defender btw and not some anti-drunk driver website.
ETA: This is all I can find about the legal limit in Texas....
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The State of Texas has set a .08% Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) as the legal limit for Driving Under the Influence. For commercial drivers, a BAC of .04% can result in a DUI conviction nationwide.
This post was edited on 2/15 at 2:36 pm
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yellowfin 
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:34 pm to Darth_Vader)
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quote: at's what I'm asking, wher edid the .04 level come from? I did not see that mentioned in the OP.
The legal limit is .02 for a minor, the article said he was twice the legal limit......04
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:35 pm to Rickety Cricket)
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Too bad the laws on the books back me up. And those laws exist for a reason, hopefully that guy gets prosecuted for taking it into his own hands and murdering someone in cold blood.
This. There is nothing evil about a drunk driving accident. It's exactly that...an accident, caused by stupidity. I would only be ok with this kind of thing for child molestation, rape, cold blooded murder, etc. Truly evil acts.
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Sophandros
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:39 pm to Darth_Vader)
Could and will are two different things.
There is a reason that Donte Stallworth wasn't charged with First Degree Murder...
Actually, this case is very similar to that one, with the added bonus of actual murder.
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manwich 
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:42 pm to Darth_Vader)
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I can't find anything about a "legal limit" for minors in Texas.
Here you go. From LawInfo:
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The blood alcohol limit in Texas is a 0.08 BAC, unless you are under the age of 21. If you are under the age of 21 and your BAC is 0.02 or higher then you are legally intoxicated. Additionally, the legal limit for commercial drivers is a BAC of 0.04 or more
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Notice how a man who weighs 200 lbs with a blood alcohol level of .04 is shown with
"Driving Skills Significantly Affected".
experience > chart
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UpToPar
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:51 pm to Darth_Vader)
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This is what's wrong with people today. An unwillingness to claim responsibility of their actions. If someone drinks and drives and kills someone they are responsible for that death. Furthermore, they knew before hand their drinking and driving could kill someone and chose to do it anyway. That is why it is not an "accident".
The stupidity in this one paragraph is astounding.
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manwich
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:54 pm to UpToPar)
i wonder if the driver is going to claim responsibility for his actions. oh wait, he was murdered
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Darth_Vader
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:55 pm to yellowfin)
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The legal limit is .02 for a minor, the article said he was twice the legal limit......04
I have looked and looked and found nothing about Texas having .02 as a legal limit for minors. The only thing I've found is that Texas has a "zero tolerance" policy and that anyone under 21 with any traceable amount of alcohol in their blood is guilty of DUI.
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UpToPar
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:57 pm to manwich)
I just don't know how he drew the direct correlation between responsibility and intent.
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Darth_Vader
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 2:59 pm to manwich)
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Here you go. From LawInfo:
Here you go from Texas Alcohol Beverage Commission....
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In Texas it is illegal for a person under 21 to operate a motor vehicle in a public place while having ANY detectable amount of alcohol in their system.
,state.texas.us so this is as legit of a source as you can find so suck it
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UpToPar
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 3:02 pm to Darth_Vader)
So the legal limit is zero, and he was double zero so he did not have a single sip of alcohol. My mind is blown.
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F machine
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 3:02 pm to Darth_Vader)
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n Texas it is illegal for a person under 21 to operate a motor vehicle in a public place while having ANY detectable amount of alcohol in their system.
,state.texas.us so this is as legit of a source as you can find so suck it
I don't think anyone said it was legal for the guy to drink a few beers and drive. They were saying .04 or whatever doesn't really impair anything. Also, this could prove their point. Technically this dude could have drank one beer and been considered drunk. Obviously one beer isn't drunk.
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SJS Eagle 85
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 3:03 pm to UpToPar)
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The stupidity in this one paragraph is astounding.
That paragraph is completely logical.
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manwich
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| re: Texas man kills drunk driver that killed his sons (Posted on 2/15/13 at 3:10 pm to F machine)
So it seems Darth is the one who'll be sucking it unless the writer is a moron and was referring to an irrelevant adult legal limit
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