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CollegeFBRules
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Dude, this is a philosophical discussion. You are right about the law as written in general.


Yeah, I know, but I want to make sure I'm right about the technical end of it before I start spouting other nonsense out there.






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JohnnyKilroy
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So if I can DVR a show on tv legally, can someone download a movie on their computer legally if it is being shown on HBO, or how about TNT? Or does the fact that commercials are still paying TNT's bills make it illegal?


Serious question?

You are paying a content provider for the content that you store on your Dvr






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CollegeFBRules
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other than the soda recipe stuff.


Nah, man, I know I'm right on this. Screech got a cease and desist letter from Betty Crocker for selling their spaghetti sauce.






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GhostofJackson
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Most nations are signatories to international treaties protecting IP but not all of them enforce it like others would like them to


And I understand there is a legal definition for intellectual property. The "idea" of intellectual property is not one that I would take argument against. Many people believe it exists, that is not the issue at hand. The issue is that many of us believe public realm material should not be considered dually private. Information and materials, once it leave the confines of private use and is public, should not be hindered in use, monetarily or legally.






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ForeLSU
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Honestly I'm not sure what you were responding to with this I went through the thread too fast


you initially said that algorithms aren't copyrightable...but that wasn't the initial point anyway. But I responded that patents are the problem. Then you responded with algorithms are patentable. Which is just semantics...systems, methods, processes, etc.






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WikiTiger
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Says who?


says the evolution of the thread.

you know threads don't always stay 100% on topic, right?

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Decatur


Do you think IP will be able to survive 20, 30, 40 years from now?






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CollegeFBRules
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The issue is that many of us believe public realm material should not be considered dually private. Information and materials, once it leave the confines of private use and is public, should not be hindered in use, monetarily or legally.


And it's on this that the law disagrees with you, does it not?






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Decatur
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you initially said that algorithms aren't copyrightable...but that wasn't the initial point anyway


Man I probably missed your point to begin with






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Decatur
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says the evolution of the thread.


Well I started much later than y'all...it's easier to respond as I read through the thread than go to back 15 pages a second time to respond to everything

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you know threads don't always stay 100% on topic, right?


With proper thread discipline they can

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Do you think IP will be able to survive 20, 30, 40 years from now?


Yes. Enforcement will always be an issue though (unless the technology plateaus)






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CollegeFBRules
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Yes. Enforcement will always be an issue though (unless the technology plateaus)


The technology won't plateau, because as long as someone wants to protect their property, they will come up with a way to catch those duplicating it without permission.

I'm more confounded by the question you are posing, Wiki. Are you saying because you suspect IP won't survive a handful more decades we should just do away with it now?






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ForeLSU
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says the evolution of the thread.


in software terms, this thread would be considered spaghetti code






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WikiTiger
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I'm more confounded by the question you are posing, Wiki. Are you saying because you suspect IP won't survive a handful more decades we should just do away with it now?


I'm saying we should do away with it now, not because it won't survive into the future, but because it's anti-liberty.

I'm also making a futurist argument that IP is incompatible with the information revolution and will be eventually discarded and laughed at by future generations.






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CollegeFBRules
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in software terms, this thread would be considered spaghetti code


TD would be the spaghetti, this thread would be but a noodle.






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Decatur
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The issue is that many of us believe public realm material should not be considered dually private. Information and materials, once it leave the confines of private use and is public, should not be hindered in use, monetarily or legally.


I think many of y'all have issues with intangible property rights...at least it seems that way to me






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GhostofJackson
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And it's on this that the law disagrees with you, does it not?


Yes and no. First off, you have to consider the legal system of the US. We have laws, and then we have laws undone by repeal or by judge ruling. That means either we create bad laws, or people don't understand laws and later have to change them, or times change and you have to change laws as well.

As noted earlier, some judge rulings would side with our argument, some laws may not. Legality is hard to argue from because unlike ideology, it can be affected and changed by sources outside oneself. Therefore those people who argue from a legal standpoint only are more likely (IMO obviously) to have less time spent looking into ethical dialogue from which to determine their stances because their stances revolve around what other people have already set up for them.

That was a long rant but to sum up is this: Just as most people run stop signs and red lights, citation or following of laws is usually only when it comes to ones own benefit. Ideology is what we are hammering at in this thread for the guys on my side of the fence. I don't care much for what the laws say, my opinion above the law is that public means public, you can't have two ways about it.

I can clear up more if you want, I tend to write SOC.






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GhostofJackson
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I think many of y'all have issues with intangible property rights...at least it seems that way to me


Yeah, our issue is that it doesn't exist.






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CollegeFBRules
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but because it's anti-liberty.


How? I read this, and I get that is what you have felt throughout the thread, but how is it anti-liberty?

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I'm also making a futurist argument that IP is incompatible with the information revolution and will be eventually discarded and laughed at by future generations.


You're probably right, but there will be a transition period to that new method of capturing the monetary gain of innovation. You guys seem to want to tell innovators to screw off in the interim, though. If I'm working on something currently that you steal and distribute, I'm going to come bust your knees out personally.






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CollegeFBRules
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


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Yes and no. First off, you have to consider the legal system of the US. We have laws, and then we have laws undone by repeal or by judge ruling. That means either we create bad laws, or people don't understand laws and later have to change them, or times change and you have to change laws as well.

As noted earlier, some judge rulings would side with our argument, some laws may not. Legality is hard to argue from because unlike ideology, it can be affected and changed by sources outside oneself. Therefore those people who argue from a legal standpoint only are more likely (IMO obviously) to have less time spent looking into ethical dialogue from which to determine their stances because their stances revolve around what other people have already set up for them.

That was a long rant but to sum up is this: Just as most people run stop signs and red lights, citation or following of laws is usually only when it comes to ones own benefit. Ideology is what we are hammering at in this thread for the guys on my side of the fence. I don't care much for what the laws say, my opinion above the law is that public means public, you can't have two ways about it.

I can clear up more if you want, I tend to write SOC.


I'm going to get back with you in a minute on this. The Mrs. is calling me to take a shower with her.






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JohnnyKilroy
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I believe IP will still exist for the foreseeable future from a business standpoint (ie a company copying a design or process and selling it as their own)

I think it will go by the wayside in terms of individual consumption (ie mp3's, 3d printed shit, etc)






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MrCarton
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I think many of y'all have issues with intangible property rights...at least it seems that way to me



I have issue with laws that lack feasibility in enforcement. Intangible property rights happen to fall into that category. Gun and drugs are in there as well.






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