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MrCarton
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But he could literally never use the idea, because once he let it out what it was, it belongs to everyone.

For FREEEEEEEEEEEEE!



Unless his idea was based on the parameters of rapid, low cost information availability. Which incidentally is the market reality...






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WikiTiger
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They are still paying ASCAP and BMI, that's the point you are missing.


I'm not missing it at all.

I fully understand the business model.

You obviously don't understand my point.


Despite the ease of piracy, I am still choosing the legal option. Why?






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CollegeFBRules
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If you felt otherwise, you should address the issues. As of right now there is good points against you that you are wishing weren't there.


No, there are not. However, you are not wanting to discuss the issue. You have "won" the discussion. There is no point in talking with you further.






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MrCarton
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Open cola

I saw a commercial for a carbonator (not sure that is the word for it) during the super bowl. looks like we will be making our own sodas from now on...







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CollegeFBRules
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I'll ask you again: If you got the formula for Coca-Cola, would you feel perfectly fine copying it 100%, putting your own MrCarton label on it, and selling it without reserve?





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GhostofJackson
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Checkmate.





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CollegeFBRules
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Checkmate


Glad you realized it happened to you.






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Bard
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Wealth is not lost in your scenario. Think about the Mp3 industry.

Computers
HArd Drives
Ipods
Smartphones
Headphones
Bluetooth headphones
Arm bands to wear ipod
ipod cases
Ipod charges
Ipod speakers

All of those things have adapted to the market force of prevalent MP3 files. Money was made, a bunch of it.


This would be valid if they were paying a licensing fee of some sort to the RIAA or somesuch.

To draw a parallel for you... back when audio tape came out for the consumers (and later with video tape), the deal was struck that a small percentage (a few cents worth) of each 8-track, cassette, reel and video tape (VHS and Beta) would go to RIAA to cover licensing fees for those that were used to copy music or video. Dispersing it out amongst every sale kept the fee so low as to be invisible while keeping artists from going broke even if they made blockbuster albums.

Nothing like that has happened with the more modern electronic memory (hard drives, usb sticks, etc).






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GhostofJackson
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I'm not the one who just ignores posts that blow up my argument. Go back and contest me if you think you are right.

And don't say, "oh but you said you won." If you really think you have it down, stand up for yourself man. Guy Fawkes fought for what he believed in too!






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Bard
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I'm not missing it at all.

I fully understand the business model.

You obviously don't understand my point.


Feel free to explain it then. The best I could tell it was "once I buy it I should be able to copy it and give it to anyone I want".






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Tigah in the ATL
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I do say it's better for artists
all evidence to the contrary






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CollegeFBRules
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Feel free to explain it then. The best I could tell it was "once I buy it I should be able to copy it and give it to anyone I want".


That is their argument, through and through.






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WikiTiger
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Feel free to explain it then.


I asked you this:


Despite the ease of piracy, I am still choosing the legal option. Why?



Answer that and I'll expound after that.






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MrCarton
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If you got the formula for Coca-Cola, would you feel perfectly fine copying it 100%, putting your own MrCarton label on it, and selling it without reserve?


If I broke into the coca cola headquarters and mission impossibleded into the safe which stores the formula, then I would have broken so many other pertinent and enforceable laws that the discussion of the formula would only be important as to determine what the civil damages would be.


If i published said formula via a torrent, whoever downloaded it and made their own collegeFBRules cola (I would buy BTW) would be using public information to do so. You cannot feasibly enforce a law against that, even if you feel it is morally wrong.

Regardless, Coke pays people to turn a profit based on market realities, so you could soon expect them to turn that public information into a business model that makes money.






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CollegeFBRules
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If i published said formula via a torrent, whoever downloaded it and made their own collegeFBRules cola (I would buy BTW) would be using public information to do so. You cannot feasibly enforce a law against that, even if you feel it is morally wrong.


It coke took the MrCarton formula, tested it, and saw it was a 100% copy of their formula, they couldn't prosecute that?

I didn't realize.






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Freauxzen
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This would be valid if they were paying a licensing fee of some sort to the RIAA or somesuch.

To draw a parallel for you... back when audio tape came out for the consumers (and later with video tape), the deal was struck that a small percentage (a few cents worth) of each 8-track, cassette, reel and video tape (VHS and Beta) would go to RIAA to cover licensing fees for those that were used to copy music or video. Dispersing it out amongst every sale kept the fee so low as to be invisible while keeping artists from going broke even if they made blockbuster albums.

Nothing like that has happened with the more modern electronic memory (hard drives, usb sticks, etc).



Interesting. But this sounds like the RIAA's fault for not getting involved, not the consumer's fault.

As I said before, the RIAA is free to run their business as they please, if they are fervent, they would follow suit to limit the ability to listen to their products...


And then another entity would arise that would embrace technology again, and find a way through the problem, rather than stifling it and hoping it magically goes away.

Believe me, I want someone (Spotify or not) to find an innovative way through this issue and make it extremely profitable, while protecting intellectual property. It's clear the RIAA is not up to the task, they just want to sue, sue sue.






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MrCarton
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It coke took the MrCarton formula, tested it, and saw it was a 100% copy of their formula, they couldn't prosecute that?

I didn't realize.


Yeah, sure you could. Now, prosecute 100 million other people making "Mr. Whatshisname" coke in their homes. Or wait until they alter the product enough to be considered different but virtually identical in taste.

I had a friend design a system once, best one on the market. Lightweight, cheap, simple. He sold the idea to a manufacturer who sold the product to other people. In 6 months the exact same systems were being copied by everyone in the industry. His initial product sells just fine despite the competition.

The same story could be told of light beers in America.
Coors
miller
Bud
They all taste the same and are designed to taste the same. The difference is marketing. Those companies realized that they could benefit outside of the traditional method and they have done well.


Let me give you a prime example of an open source business model based around one individuals IP. Crossfit.com It is totally free. everything is posted on the website. They make a GD killing selling T shirts, seminars (similar to live music huh?) and certifications (music lessons?). They are one of the most popular fitness sites in the country, and yet they charge nothing for the actual intellectual property that started the business.

I admire the open source model they used more than the actual intellectual property though...



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Decatur
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As you may or may not be aware, Sweden is not a state in the United States of America. Sweden is a country in northern Europe. Unless you figured it out by now, US law does not apply here. For your information, no Swedish law is being violated.


Except that Sweden is a WIPO signatory and as such must abide by the same international IP treaties as the U.S.

LINK

Oh, and their national IP laws are not much different than in the U.S.

LINK

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It is the opinion of us and our lawyers that you are ....... morons, and that you should please go sodomize yourself with retractable batons.


It's the opinion of anyone that knows anything about IP that you and your lawyers must be imbeciles for believing this







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MrCarton
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This would be valid if they were paying a licensing fee of some sort to the RIAA or somesuch.

To draw a parallel for you... back when audio tape came out for the consumers (and later with video tape), the deal was struck that a small percentage (a few cents worth) of each 8-track, cassette, reel and video tape (VHS and Beta) would go to RIAA to cover licensing fees for those that were used to copy music or video. Dispersing it out amongst every sale kept the fee so low as to be invisible while keeping artists from going broke even if they made blockbuster albums.

Nothing like that has happened with the more modern electronic memory (hard drives, usb sticks, etc).


My point stands that wealth is not lost, but just acquired by more/ different entities.

Artists will learn to make money on the more tangible products of their industry. That product used to live shows, then records, then tapes, then CDs, and for a short while it was MP3s. The market is changing and the winners will be smart, lucky or both. Right or wrong this is the reality.






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Decatur
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Incorrect, I don't believe intellectual property exists.


Too bad the existence of intellectual property does not depend on your belief in it






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