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GhostofJackson
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Dude you are cranky today. No one said we were better than anyone else. Are you trying to convince us that we are wrong, or convince yourself? You seem like you actually have some deep seated issues with the way our economic structure is set up, don't blame us.





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CollegeFBRules
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Furthermore, I believe even the intellectual property laws have limitations on time you can claim that property. How does that make sense? If it is your private property, shouldn't it always be your private property until you sell it?


In regards to medication, it is done for the companies to recoup the cost government knows it heaves upon the company developing the medicine.






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ForeLSU
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Once information becomes public, it is common property.


true, but electronic files that perform a specific task aren't "information", they're tools. Their output would be considered information.






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GhostofJackson
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In regards to medication, it is done for the companies to recoup the cost government knows it heaves upon the company developing the medicine.


That's an issue with bureaucracy, that's not my issue.






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CollegeFBRules
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Let me ask you this: Do you honestly believe that intellectual property laws will survive into the next 20, 30, 40 years?


I have no idea. Let me ask you this: What do you think happens to the rate of new products being created and innovated if the ability to profit from the idea ceases to exist?






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Tiguar
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They will innovate a new way to become profitable.





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GhostofJackson
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true, but electronic files that perform a specific task aren't "information", they're tools. Their output would be considered information.


Tools that are based upon information. Everything is information. Sensory data is information. Any computer program is not based in the program, it is based in information that built the program. It's all 1s and 0s.






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CollegeFBRules
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That's an issue with bureaucracy, that's not my issue.


I love how you ignore points you don't want to discuss and only analyze subjects from a vacuum of personal preference you have created.

That bureaucracy is a result of voter choices, of which you are one. So, yeah, the bureaucracy is a direct result of the collective decisions of the society from which you benefit being a part of.






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CollegeFBRules
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They will innovate a new way to become profitable.


How quaint. They don't own their ideas in any meaningful way they can profit from them, according to you guys. What's the point of coming up with anything if you can't better yourself for creating it?






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GhostofJackson
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The fundamental program is that you base your whole premise not on common benefit of mankind, but profit driven capitalism. Why should I care what happens to companies. Human existence hasn't revolved around companies, and hopefully will never be at their mercy.







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GhostofJackson
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I love how you ignore points you don't want to discuss and only analyze subjects from a vacuum of personal preference you have created.


Give me a point I ignored.






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GhostofJackson
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And PS, I don't care about the taxes the business had to pay to develop their product because they were never forced to develop that product. They chose to.





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WikiTiger
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What do you think happens to the rate of new products being created and innovated if the ability to profit from the idea ceases to exist?


like Tiguar said, they will innovate to be more profitable


but also, check out this post I made on the movie/tv board a while back:

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An example of how no copyright restrictions increases creativity

Granted, this is from the tech world, but the concept it illustrates translates into the art world as well.

GNU/Linux Distribution Timeframe


This is a very large SVG graphic file that documents the vast majority of Linux distros put out in the past 20 years or so. If you are unfamiliar with Linux, the basics you should know are that it's free (both in price and license) and that people regularly take one "flavor" of Linux and then add their own style/features/functionality to it and then release it as a new distro/flavor.

This has led to an explosion of innovation and creativity. When one project goes off the reservation, there are always other people to come around and say, "Hey, what you are doing now sucks, we're going to take the source code from when it was good, and fork it into a new project and add some new features and release it as well." A recent example of that can be seen in the GNOME 3 debacle. A lot of people greatly dislike the new direction that GNOME has taken and so the guys that make Linux Mint decided to take the GNOME 3 code and make it look and act like GNOME 2.6 (which was loved very much by the community).



This applies to things like music and movies as well. If we had a robust public domain then artists would have much more source material from which to remix/remake/reimagine/etc. Take for instance the Danger Mouse stuff from back in the early 2000's (but that was illegal because he used copyrighted material). For a more recent (and legal) example of this kind of stuff, look at that "Guy on a Buffalo" stuff. They took footage from a movie in the public domain, wrote a few catchy songs to layer over the footage and put it out on YouTube to much lulz.

Imagine the possibilities and the explosion of creativity we would see if there were a wide selection of public domain works to choose from.






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GhostofJackson
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I'm more disturbed that CFB thinks profit should be the main motive in saving lives.





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CollegeFBRules
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The fundamental program is that you base your whole premise not on common benefit of mankind, but profit driven capitalism. Why should I care what happens to companies.


Do you know just how ignorant of history this statement is? Do you want to compare the history of communism versus capitalism and what your belief does to the economies where private creation does not benefit the innovator?






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GhostofJackson
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Do you know just how ignorant of history this statement is? Do you want to compare the history of communism versus capitalism and what your belief does to the economies where private creation does not benefit the innovator?


I guess you think history started in the late 1700s.






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CollegeFBRules
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like Tiguar said, they will innovate to be more profitable


How will they do this?






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ForeLSU
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Any computer program is not based in the program, it is based in information that built the program. It's all 1s and 0s.


no, it is based on developed algorithms to solve specific problems, it is no different than a monkey wrench.






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CollegeFBRules
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I guess you think history started in the late 1700s.


I guess you think humankind took a massive wrong turn at that time then when most of humanity decided to profit motive was a much better way to better society than how they had been doing things prior to that.






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GhostofJackson
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no, it is based on developed algorithms to solve specific problems, it is no different than a monkey wrench.


Agree to disagree, an algorithm is information. This information is built upon itself to create a complex mathematical equation, but an algorithm is not a singular unit.






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