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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy


I'm not talking about compressed lossy mp3 files.

I'm talking about lossless CD-quality files.

Your only choices are to download uncompressed CD's (FLAC, WAV), or rip the files uncompressed straight from the CD.

If he's going to the library to get CD's to rip, he's getting high-quality files.

The only way to get the same quality is to download in flac or wav formats, and those files are very large.

I'd much rather rip from CD's than download those large files.



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theunknownknight
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Being wrong is not simply the issue. The issue is: is this wrong in Sweden. According to this thread the answer is no. Therefore the USA has no jurisdiction over them.


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Whay do I sense that you are an attorney with a contract with ASCAP.





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Gmorgan4982
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So copying my own property is theft.
Statist/big-government logic. It's great.






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Poodlebrain
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So copying my own property is theft.
What exactly is your property? Your property masy be a license to use information. That does not make the information your property that you have the right to copy.

If I buy the latest album of a particular artist should I have the right to reproduce that album as many times as I desire and sell it for a profit to any willing buyers? What is the difference between selling it and exchanging it for something of value (the right to download other music) on some host site? Since you are getting something of value in return for making the information available you are profiting from the information while denying those benefits to the creator of the information. That is theft.






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MrCarton
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That doesn't give you the right to get something for nothing.



Why do you keep saying this?

What you give for something has no moral, philosophical or legal relevance to the conversation.

Are you implying that someone who pays more than market value for something has greater morals?







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If I buy the latest album of a particular artist should I have the right to reproduce that album as many times as I desire and sell it for a profit to any willing buyers?
Whatever the contract says, I guess.






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MrCarton
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If I buy the latest album of a particular artist should I have the right to reproduce that album as many times as I desire and sell it for a profit to any willing buyers?


In my opinion, yes. But if this was legal then the market wouldn't be too great.

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you are profiting from the information while denying those benefits to the creator of the information. That is theft.


If I give an interview to fox news for $500 and CNN quotes my interview in another article I should get royalties right? I mean, i didn't sell my quote to CNN subscribers, I have a right to sell the same information to them that I did to fox news right? Even if I made it public information, it is MY intellectual property until I sell the rights to each person on earth.







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sell it for a profit to any willing buyers?


As for copyright issues the answer in the US would be no and no and still no. Folks have an issue with sharing though. That is what torrent clients and p2p is about. Sharing for non-profit. I like the idea of sharing with no profit in mind. As for pc stuff, take Microsoft for instance. They do not allow you by law to share your own software from pc to pc in your home. You are supposed to pay for each copy you install. You cannot copy from one to the other legally.






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theunknownknight
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How many more people in this thread are going to miss the actual point/issue of the OP?

The issue is over national legal jurisdiction not copyright infringement itself.







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Bmath
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We are a few years away from a turning point in tv / film, it will end up being 100% better than it ever has been.. I would actually gander to say we already have 1 1/2 feet into the other side of the pool at this point with Redbox, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon.. can't wait til we go in with both feet!


This is fine until Netflix starts using commercials to keep their prices low and selection high.

I'm not really sure how a society can be both capitalistic and allow Internet piracy. Aren't these conflicting ideologies?

Unfortunately current proposals of anti piracy laws would destroy the Internet as we know it.

However I think subscription based services such as Netflix and spotify are the future of media distribution. This allows the low cost a la carte media services that the public wants, while proving a piece of the profit to media producers.






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Poodlebrain
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Folks have an issue with sharing though.
Sharing is nothing more than exchanging one piece of property for another when the property is kept permanently. And an exchange of property is indistinguishable from a sale in economic terms. What makes file sharing even worse is that the supply of the property increases with every unauthorized copy made thus decreasing the value of the property to its creator.

If your model was applied by everyone, then every song would sell one time and all subsequent copies could be shared for free. Do you really feel you are entitled to the entire world's catalogue of music because you purchased one song that you made available for sharing? You would have the right to download every other song in creation. If you don't think that is wrong, then I'm afraid you weren't raised right.






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If you don't think that is wrong, then I'm afraid you weren't raised right.


Or maybe you could understand that there are other philosophies regarding the concept of "intellectual property" and that there are many people that don't believe it is legitimate.

Whereas a conservative may view liberal claims of a right to sustenance as BS, the ancap views claims of the right to own 'intellectual property' as BS.

Who's right? Obviously we each believe we are.

But the interesting point of this debate is that it doesn't really matter who is right.

I can tell you who is going to win. And it's not going to be your side.



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you can have alternate visions for intellectual property, but don't try to say "it's better for artists & producers." It clearly is not.





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I grew up with a tape recorder I was given as a present and taped off the radio. That was my raisin'





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WikiTiger
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and this guy says you're dead wrong.


that guy is a moron and he attempted to link piracy to Mark Linkous and Vic Chesnutt's suicides. shame on him

I can't take that guy seriously at all

and FWIW - I'm a huge Sparklehorse fan and bought a bunch of their CD's and have paid to see them live, but come on....blaming Mark's suicide on piracy? frick that guy




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you can have alternate visions for intellectual property, but don't try to say "it's better for artists & producers." It clearly is not.



I do say it's better for artists and it will continue to get better and better for them as time goes on.




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tigersaint26
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What is the difference between downloading songs/movies off the internet and using a tape and boombox 20 years ago to download songs off the radio?

Why would the boombox companies allow you copy off the radio? Wouldn't that be like the boombox is your computer and the radio station is the host? Was it illegal then and no one knew it? Or is it just easier now for the industries to track it and now making a big deal and trying to profit from it?






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If you make a product that is appropriately priced and easily accessible, people will pay for it rather than pirate.

The problem with music, movies, video games, and other media is that they are overpriced and fricking impossible to deal with between DVD regions, DMCA requests, copyright protection software... it's simpler to steal it. That needs to change if we want to curb piracy.






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boombox 20 years ago to download songs off the radio?


probably falls under "fair use". You have the opportunity to listen to the radio for free, all you're doing is just recording it to listen at a different time.






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