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PrimeTime Money
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy

Apparently you aren't against stealing.


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CollegeFBRules
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
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We are against stealing, so no.


Not if you condone torrents.


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THRILLHO
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
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Don't content creators also assume the risk that their content will be copied when released to the public?


Sure. And I assume the risk of getting robbed every time I walk to Frenchman. Doesn't make the robbers right. And once I feel the risk outweighs the reward, I'll stop going. And I'm sure some people have made that decision, which hurts businesses and artists in the area. The same holds true for piracy. Just because some companies give software away for free and a bunch of shitty bands/movies make a ton of money doesn't mean that there's nothing wrong with it and that it hasn't stifled any creativity.

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Perhaps they should adapt to new technology and develop a business model that takes advantage of the mediums available.


Steam is a fantastic medium and seemingly difficult to pirate, but there are still Steam games on thepiratebay.


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PrimeTime Money
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
I have a question...

Why do stores buy a bunch of software? Why don't they just buy one of each, then make a bunch of copies, and then sell them for half the price?

I mean, there should be nothing wrong with that... right?


LSU6262
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
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sell them for half the price


I've never had to buy a torrent


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McLemore
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
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The SCOTUS even agrees that copyright infringement isn't stealing. Why can't you morons on here grasp this simple concept?


very few people I know understand copyright and its purpose. it's easier to think in grade-school layman's terms.


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moneyg
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
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The SCOTUS even agrees that copyright infringement isn't stealing. Why can't you morons on here grasp this simple concept?



Semantics. I don't think that was the crux of the argument at any point.

It is illegal. And, it should be illegal.


GhostofJackson
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
I think the argument is is material vs immaterial property. If you physically steal your neighbors car then you stole his property, but music is immaterial and no one has a monopoly on noise. Since someone cannot own something intangible, the idea of intellectual property is therefore something that cannot be enumerated.

FWIW I think this is a debate where you have to consider philosophy first. A) What should a man be able to own, B) Should his creations be common or private, C) Did his creations all come from his own self?

Artists create music made via machines built by someone else. How can they claim to be the creators? They didn't create the music, they discovered the music via a medium built by other people.

Just food for thought.


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shuke33
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
Hollywood doesnt care if its for personal use

only if you plan on selling copies.


shuke33
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BaddestAndvari
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Member since Mar 2011
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
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PrimeTime Money


Good fricking tapdancing polar bear, you are the most butthurt piece of crap I have ever seen before!

Image: http://questioncopyright.org/cm/images/piracy-is-not-theft.jpg


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BaddestAndvari
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Member since Mar 2011
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
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It's stealing, Wiki. Period. It is disappointing if you think there is nothing wrong with it.


Except in this day and age people that "should" be getting the money, ARE getting the money because of things like torrents.. thanks to those "evil downloader..ers" musicians are now getting a much higher percentage of their cut on THEIR music, and have many many MANY new ways to get money off of their content..

Same thing will ultimately happen in all forms of entertainment, it's how the world goes, get use to it


CollegeFBRules
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Member since Oct 2008
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
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Except in this day and age people that "should" be getting the money, ARE getting the money because of things like torrents.


Care to explain this?


WikiTiger
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Member since Sep 2007
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re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
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Care to explain this?


Back in the heyday of record companies having all the power, artists received very little money on CD sales and radio plays. In fact, it was not uncommon for very popular and successful bands to actually end up in debt to record companies because of their shady practices.


However, thanks to the internet, media production, promotion, etc have been democratized, and now many artists make more money touring and selling associated merchandise (t-shirts, etc.) while essentially giving away their music. It's a changing paradigm, and it's is turning the tide in the favor of content producers.

All thanks to pirate activity.


WikiTiger
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PrimeTime Money
USA Fan
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
12239 posts

re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
That's all fine and dandy, but it isn't just music.

What about movies? Books?



What if a guy records the movie at the theater on his video camera.

Then uploads it online for everybody to watch.

He didn't "steal" anything... I mean, the movie theater still has the film reel. He just made a "copy".

Do you not see a problem with this?
This post was edited on 2/12 at 9:25 pm


WikiTiger
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2007
40721 posts

re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
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What about movies?


We are already seeing crowd sourced movies being made and released under CC licenses.

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Books?


Self-publishing is huge. Many people give away their material for free. Others sell it.

The most popular book of 2012 was fan fiction that was originally published for free. (50 Shades of Grey)

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What if a guy records the movie at the theater on his video camera.

Then uploads it online for everybody to watch.

He didn't "steal" anything... I mean, the movie theater still has the film reel. He just made a "copy".

Do you not see a problem with this?



Not at all.









I ask you again....why do you think it's ok to violate the copyright of the photographer of the picture in your sig image?


PrimeTime Money
USA Fan
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
12239 posts

re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
So you see nothing wrong with a guy bringing a video camera into a movie theater, recording the movie, and then posting it online?

What if he sold his copies for a few bucks?




And as far as my signature, it may or may not be a copyright violation. I don't know. I don't really care. I even torrent things every-now-and-then.

But I don't lie to myself saying this is perfectly okay to do to make myself feel warm and fuzzy inside. I just do it regardless because I don't give a shite.


WikiTiger
LSU Fan
Member since Sep 2007
40721 posts

re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
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So you see nothing wrong with a guy bringing a video camera into a movie theater, recording the movie, and then posting it online?

What if he sold his copies for a few bucks?



What if a guy ran a message board that allowed people to use copyrighted images as avatars and sig pics and made money on advertisements. Is that ok?

This post was edited on 2/12 at 9:38 pm


PrimeTime Money
USA Fan
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
12239 posts

re: IP topic of the day: The Pirate Bay's legal policy
That is not the same scenario.

One is making money directly off the work of somebody else... something that people have to pay for otherwise.

The guy running the message board isn't making money off of people's signature images.


Now, kindly answer my question that I asked above, and this time don't do it by proposing another question.


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