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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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I'm not saying the British didn't have an important role, but I think it's quite an oversimplification to say soccer is popular because of British influence.


The first couple chapters of Alex Bellos' "Futebol: The Brazilian Way of Life" covers the importance of the British to the birth and growth of Brazilian soccer.

It's also covered pretty well in Ruy Castro's "Garrincha."






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WeOnlyHateMancs
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Bear with me, this is a long post. For the sake of this argument I call Soccer: Football and Football: American Football.

The spread of football was immensely influenced by the Brits. The fact that there are ex-colonies which have other games that are more popular is not contrary to this. This is because of economic and social reasons.

Case in point. To assume football is not immensely popular in India is very wrong. Football does not get the exposure and funding that cricket does, hence its pathetic state of affairs in India. There are football clubs in India that are older than many of the biggest clubs in Europe, Mohun Bagan AC, 1889. There are local derbies that regularly draw crowds of a 100,000. In the 1940s and 50s the Indian football team regularly won medals at the Asian level. They were amongst the top few teams in Asia. The demise of football in India happened in more recent years. A young developing nation, where playing sports was secondary to obtaining a means to livelihood, won the Cricket World Cup in 1983, in England, beating the then unbeatable West Indies. It was classic David versus Goliath. The whole country went bat sh** nuts and the government made cricketers into heroes. In the following decades when the economy expanded cricket was already in the drivers seat and marginalized the economic access of all other sports. Cricket grew in India at the expense of every other sport. Football and Hockey suffered the most. Sports in India have never recovered since then.

Similarly, I would argue that all the different rules of football came to America with the Brits. The then Americans took the rules and modified them to their liking, coming up with a completely new set of rules which became popular in America when the US was vehemently American and had a very "us versus them" attitude towards the rest of the world, especially Britain. America was largely isolated from the rest of the world, politically and socially until WWI and WWII. If not for the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbour it can be argued that the US could have stayed neutral through the war (but that's a different tangent). My point being when the economic expansion happened in the US American Football and Baseball were already in the drivers seat and marginalized the economic access of all other sports. Thankfully in America the economy was big enough that there was some moolah to go around for the other sports and they did not get completely destroyed.

I am not saying the above are the only reasons that influenced the respective cases. There are other factors that influenced them too. But that would be a larger discussion.






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acgeaux129
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


It's because all our athletes played baseball instead. If we had our best inner city athletes on the east coast keep playing at the high school level, development would have been way better.





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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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WeOnlyHateMancs


Good stuff!!!!






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ohiovol
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


There's a big difference between saying the British introduced soccer to many people and saying they're the reason that soccer is popular. The British introduced many things to many places. There are clearly other reasons soccer is so universal.





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WeOnlyHateMancs
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


I don't think that is the primary premise of the OP and I don't know if anyone else has made that claim. I didn't think anyone did, I definitely haven't.

But saying that the Brits introduced football to many people but they are not the sole reason the game is universally popular is a forgone conclusion isn't it? They did invent the modern game of football. It's like saying Einstein introduced the theory of relativity to the world but he isn't the only reason the theory of relativity is one of the most popular ways of interpreting the physical universe. Well duh! The premise is that football should have been introduced by the Brits to the colonies but it wasn't. You can either agree with it and state why you think it did not follow the Brits to the new colonies or disagree with it and state why you think it did. Saying
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There's a big difference between saying the British introduced soccer to many people and saying they're the reason that soccer is popular.
is akin to digging a lone furrow.

Just my 2 cents.



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thenry712
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


Its simplicity obviously led it to becoming the most popular sport in the world. However, the main catalyzer for the initial spread of the game came from the far-reaching British sphere of influence at the turn of the 20th century.





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hendersonshands
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Your avatar just raped my iPad





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Tweezy
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Damn son, get on your TD mobile grind





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frick Alex Bello, bastard wears knockoff kits






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