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TFS4E
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Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


Were the colonists trying to distance themselves from everything British/European? Was soccer not as popular yet? How did other sports take root in the "states", and it take so long for soccer to catch on?

Your thoughts?








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WarSlamEagle
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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Was soccer not as popular yet?

The first rules for the game weren't written until the 1850s.

Variations of the game existed, but weren't very popular.



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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


we were more concerned with having slaves and shit





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TFS4E
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


I understand that but it's questionable that foot+ball games were invented 2500 BC, so why didn't games like that come to the colonies and develop rules/adopt rules in the 1800s? Were people more worried about slavery/states rights/impending civil war type drama?





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6pack
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


Because the modern rules weren't put into place until 1861 and the US was already well established by then. The reason why football is so popular world wide is that the English monarchy pushed English ideals, traditions & sports to new colonies in the late 1800's; where US pushed US colonies & territory's around the world to create their own values. Hence baseball not popular around the world. US pushed democracy and England pushed the English monarchy.





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TN Bhoy
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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The reason why football is so popular world wide is that the English monarchy pushed English ideals, traditions & sports to new colonies in the late 1800's;



Which is why soccer is so big in Australia, New Zealand, Eire, India and Pakistan, right?



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BleedPurpleGold
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


A variation that was supposedly pretty similar to the modern day game was outlawed by one of the English monarchs during the middle ages because English citizens were getting too violent around the game. I guess you could call that the precursor to hooliganism. I always found that very interesting.





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ohiovol
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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Which is why soccer is so big in Australia, New Zealand, Eire, India and Pakistan, right?


To be fair, those guys all got Cricket from England.






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ohiovol
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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Because the modern rules weren't put into place until 1861 and the US was already well established by then. The reason why football is so popular world wide is that the English monarchy pushed English ideals, traditions & sports to new colonies in the late 1800's; where US pushed US colonies & territory's around the world to create their own values. Hence baseball not popular around the world. US pushed democracy and England pushed the English monarchy.


You seriously think that's why soccer is popular?






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Anfield Road
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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You seriously think that's why soccer is popular?


I think it's a legitimate hypothesis. If you look at baseball, for instance, the countries where baseball is most popular are the countries that were under the US's sphere of influence (Latin America, Japan). When soccer spread in popularity, the Brits ruled or had a sphere of influence over most of the world.

ETA: IMO, The US would be a soccer nation if we had become independent in the 20th century.



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6pack
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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quote: You seriously think that's why soccer is popular?


Go read Soccernomics...It's about the history and economics of soccer broken down into numbers...Fascinating book!






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TheIrishFro
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


Baseball took off in Japan when they became an industrialized country. They changed their whole culture to "modernize" themselves and compete with the world. They copied what other countries were doing and Baseball was big in the US at the time so they picked it up.

Soccer wasn't exactly crazy popular until after the second industrial revolution (late 1800's). Before then, it was played by upper class while in school. (Rugby is actually a name of a school, just to give you an idea how these sports began). With the industrial revolution, the lower classes were in very cramped housing, worked very long hours, but for the first time in history had actual time off. Before in an agricultural society, they were constantly working on a small farm. With now crowded neighborhoods, people had more interactions with each other and during the down time began to entertain themselves by playing and watching soccer, an easy sport to play due to its low costs.

This all happened WAY after Europeans colonized north america.



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WarSlamEagle
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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Were people more worried about slavery/states rights/impending civil war type drama?

No. We kinda invented our own sports during that time.






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TN Bhoy
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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Go read Soccernomics...It's about the history and economics of soccer broken down into numbers.



And about 90% bull shite.


Seriously, the idea that the spread of soccer was a colonial enterprise by the British is ludicrous.






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225bred
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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Seriously, the idea that the spread of soccer was a colonial enterprise by the British is ludicrous

How so? Back up your objection.






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Sheep
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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And about 90% bull shite.


Seriously, the idea that the spread of soccer was a colonial enterprise by the British is ludicrous.


Pretty much everyone respects Simon Kuper's opinion on the sport.

When do your books and recurring articles in Financial Times come out?












That's what I thought.






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TN Bhoy
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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Pretty much everyone respects Simon Kuper's opinion on the sport.

When do your books and recurring articles in Financial Times come out?












That's what I thought.






Argumentum ad verecundiam






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Bho
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?



Cuz Indians were playing lacrosse and shite.






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UASports23
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


Americans were too busy kicking ass. Our pastime was to hunt down witchcraft and use extreme prejudice .





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ohiovol
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re: Why didn't soccer follow the Europeans to the new colonies?


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Baseball took off in Japan when they became an industrialized country. They changed their whole culture to "modernize" themselves and compete with the world. They copied what other countries were doing and Baseball was big in the US at the time so they picked it up.

Soccer wasn't exactly crazy popular until after the second industrial revolution (late 1800's). Before then, it was played by upper class while in school. (Rugby is actually a name of a school, just to give you an idea how these sports began). With the industrial revolution, the lower classes were in very cramped housing, worked very long hours, but for the first time in history had actual time off. Before in an agricultural society, they were constantly working on a small farm. With now crowded neighborhoods, people had more interactions with each other and during the down time began to entertain themselves by playing and watching soccer, an easy sport to play due to its low costs.

This all happened WAY after Europeans colonized north america.






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