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JohnnyKilroy
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So you don't think the CIA has helped protect us from terrorist attacks since 9-11?



How the frick would anyone us know either way.






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C
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This sounds vaguely...familiar.


yeah difference being that this is true. Bush involved the judicary in the secret wire taps. Bush got congresses approval. They may have pitched a fit afterward but they signed on to it.






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DvlsAdvocat
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Am I wrong, or isn't there another thread discussing the existence of the DOJ's rationale for targeting Americans? One that was submitted to the Senate?

And the drone activity was and is still part of the original authorization of force granted by Congress.



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blowmeauburn
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Well, if he's in an Al Qeida camp in Afghanistan I'd say that's prima facie evidence that he's "running" with Al Qeida.


The 2 American citizens killed were in Yemen. Not in some cave in Afghanistan like you seem to believe.

Furthermore, the US is not at war with Yemen so the concept of military action is questionable. On top of that one of the US citizens killed was 16.

They may have very well been terrorists but being that they weren't given a trial, I don't know. I guess the I have to trust my government on this one.






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Zed
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Well for one, they routinely kill a shitload more people than thte intended target. Whole buncha kids have been droned.
So bombs are out. That really just leaves taking them on the ground. We'd have to do more of the Seal/Delta raids that McChrystal liked. You cool with that?






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LSUCouyon
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You haven't seen any buildings burning in any cities as a result of bombs, have you? I kinda think if Al quaeda had attacked us again, we would have at least an inkling?





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dante
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LINK
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Councilmember Dede Smith, who voted in favor of the bill, says that drones are "pretty clearly a threat to our constitutional right to privacy."
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Smith admits that the final legislation won't do anything to prevent federal- or state-operated drones from operating over Charlottesville's skies, but that the symbolic move could push other cities to follow suit.






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JohnnyKilroy
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So bombs are out. That really just leaves taking them on the ground. We'd have to do more of the Seal/Delta raids that McChrystal liked. You cool with that?



Are we at war with these countries?






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junkfunky
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LSUCouyon


You're crazy man.






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LSUCouyon
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Couyon, huh?





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Zed
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Are we at war with these countries?

Afghanistan sure, not in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. Would you trust those governments to deal with the problem, even if you know they're not?






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baybeefeetz
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So on the one hand an old piece of paper with some writing on is what we place our faith in to prevent stuff like this, but on the other hand, we think it is this piece of paper that has slid us down the slippery slope?




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CptBengal
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but on the other hand, we think it is this piece of paper that has slid us down the slippery slope?



The Constitution authorizes drone strikes extra-judicially by executive fiat on citizens?

link????






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JohnnyKilroy
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So on the one hand an old piece of paper with some writing on is what we place our faith in to prevent stuff like this, but on the other hand, we think it is this piece of paper that has slid us down the slippery slope?



What?






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JohnnyKilroy
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Afghanistan sure, not in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, etc. Would you trust those governments to deal with the problem, even if you know they're not?



So if China had a problem with a group of american citizens, you'd be okay with them dropping bombs on American soil? Should the US attack China if that were to occur?






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baybeefeetz
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The white paper is narrowly circumscribes so as not to justify lethal actions again non-al-qaeda members on US soil.

How does that protect us less than the words written on the constitution?

My point is that it is all words in the hands of powerful men.






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dante
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I assume you are referring to the article about Charlottesville, VA passing a law about the city's use of drones?

Their opinion is that it violates privacy but in reality their law is only symbolic because state and federal will trump them in the end.






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Zed
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So if China had a problem with a group of american citizens, you'd be okay with them dropping bombs on American soil? Should the US attack China if that were to occur?
If there were terrorists in the United States plotting against China and we weren't pursuing them, China would be justified in finding a way to deal with them clandestinely IMO. Ditto if the situation were reversed.

I don't like the drones. I would prefer taking these people on the ground, with the cooperation of the local government, but the countries we're operating drones in don't want us kicking down doors and taking people. They're obviously not doing an effective job if we're there in the first place, so we can either use the tools at our disposal to deal with them, or trust the ineffective measures of the government that isn't getting it done, to suddenly start doing so.






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JohnnyKilroy
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but the countries we're operating drones in don't want us kicking down doors and taking people.


Ok? And they do want us bombing them?

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If there were terrorists in the United States plotting against China and we weren't pursuing them, China would be justified in finding a way to deal with them clandestinely IMO. Ditto if the situation were reversed.



Wow.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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Deal with what you fricking have at the moment, and at what has been the verbage for the last four years from the left. Deal with the likes of Jesse Jackson appealing to Oboe for DHS agents patrolling the streets of Chicago now. Deal with Oboes verbage about needing a "civilian force" with equal wieght to the military on the streets of America. Where are all of the left leaning knob jobbers? What do they have to say besides chirp.

Dude, the word you're looking for is "VERBIAGE" - which is defined as "Wordy".

But my question to you is, where were you in 2002 when the Patriot Act was being discussed in Congress? Why are you all of a sudden worried about it? Maybe because you just don't like the current White House occupant?

Also, why all of the sudden are people FINALLY getting upset over the use of drone strikes? These had been used sparingly at first in the previous admin, but when they saw what good results they were getting, the BUSH admin stepped up the drone strikes. Why is it suddenly unacceptable now? Again, just because a democrat is doing it?

You people seemingly have no principles beyond party politics.

I'll go ahead and throw in all the people crying about, "I should be secure in my house and person! I've got Rights!" as simple party-principals, as I'm sure they had no problem while a Republican administration (Reagan) declared a war n the 4th Amend via the renewed war on Drugs (begun by another Republican President - Nixon).

So I'm going to call you the same word that was thrown at me when I decried our loss of our 4th Amendment rights in the 80's and 2000's - "Liberal!"

What happened, has the Right gone Soft on Crime™ ?






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