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BlackHelicopterPilot 
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:02 am to a want)
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This part.
Dude!!
No way you are this hypnotized!
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Anodyne
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:11 am to CajunAngele)
People need to watch this program... LINK
It was produced by Nova on PBS...Rise of the Drones.
They are currently working on fully autonomous drones. Literal send, seek and kill drones that do not require human intervention or guidance to carry out their missions.
When you combine that technology with the Obama admin's decision to throw due process out the window and be the judge, jury and executioner, I think any person that thinks logically has some concern.
One of the glaring issues is that this policy, as I read it, would allow Obama to kill pretty much anyone and then build the case against that person AFTER they are dead. One of the obvious issues with this is even if the Obama administration is proven to be wrong in their determination to execute this American, it is too late at that point. A judicial or congressional determination of fault ain't bringing that person back to life.
This post was edited on 2/5 at 8:26 am
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Zahrim
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:15 am to Anodyne)
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I think any person that thinks logically has some concern.
You just ruled out almost every liberal poster on this board...
If it were Bush doing this the ACLU would already have had lawsuits flying everywhere, the DailyKOS would be having a fit and the liberals here would be screaming bloody murder.
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CITWTT
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:16 am to ShoeBang)
The Democrats in Congress have again and again expanded the depth and breadth of the PA since Nancy took the House and Harry the Senate, with Oboe in power it crosses the line so far it isn't funny. These same people were aghst at pictures of prisoners with underwear on their heads just a few years ago as torture.
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Lsut81
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:22 am to Anodyne)
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so the Obama administration (Justice Dept.) gets to decide if you are AQ or an associated group...they are judge, jury and executioner of American citizens without any oversite.
Like I pointed out... Even though they claim "AQ or an Associate Group", it wouldn't be a stretch for them to claim that individuals on US soil that are part of anti-gov groups are a threat.
Where the frick does it stop?
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Jbird 
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:30 am to Lsut81)
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Where the frick does it stop?
That is the biggest problem. 
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usc6158 
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:35 am to Zahrim)
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If it were Bush doing this the ACLU would already have had lawsuits flying everywhere
LINK
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CptBengal 
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:37 am to Lsut81)
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Even though they claim "AQ or an Associate Group", it wouldn't be a stretch for them to claim that individuals on US soil that are part of anti-gov groups are a threat.
the DHS has already listed the number #1 terror threat as:
returning veterans
gun owners
people who fly the Gadsen flag
people who now or reference the Constitution or Bill of Rights
People who use cash
people who advocate state's rights
It isn't a stretch, tyranny is HERE.
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INFIDEL
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:42 am to a want)
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quote: The United States can lawfully kill a U.S. citizen overseas if it determines the target is a “senior, operational leader” of al-Qaeda or an associated group and poses an imminent threat to the United States, according to a Justice Department document published late Monday by NBC News.
What part of this says that preemptive strikes on American citizens on American soil are excluded again?
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ShoeBang 
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:48 am to CptBengal)
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he DHS has already listed the number #1 terror threat as:
returning veterans
gun owners
people who fly the Gadsen flag
people who now or reference the Constitution or Bill of Rights
People who use cash
people who advocate state's rights
It isn't a stretch, tyranny is HERE.
Is there a link somewhere for this? Not badgering you to prove anything, just honestly interested.
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C
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:48 am to INFIDEL)
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What part of this says that preemptive strikes on American citizens on American soil are excluded again?
They just haven't had to or it hasn't been reported yet. Once that happens then they will come out with the justification...
Honestly I think they would be more justified on US soil because you could concieve of an imminent threat. There was no imminent threat that ended by killing them overseas.
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CptBengal
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:51 am to ShoeBang)
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Is there a link somewhere for this? Not badgering you to prove anything, just honestly interested.
Google dude, it is your friend.
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DvlsAdvocat 
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:51 am to Lsut81)
The antigun morons who scoff at the suggestion that people want guns to protect themselves from government overreach won't even make the connection between this story and the foundations of the Second Amendment.
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Lsut81
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:52 am to INFIDEL)
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What part of this says that preemptive strikes on American citizens on American soil are excluded again?
Another thing that is interesting about this... Since we've obviously seen that the departments within our govt can't communicate effectively, what if the CIA had planted an operative within AQ and this individual was gaining intel?
Holder and Obama decide to take him out, even though he has been sure to stay away from combat, so that he is not accidentally killed by his own government.
Then what? Oopsie?
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DvlsAdvocat
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:54 am to Lsut81)
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ince we've obviously seen that the departments within our govt can't communicate effectively, what if the CIA had planted an operative within AQ and this individual was gaining intel?
Holder and Obama decide to take him out, even though he has been sure to stay away from combat, so that he is not accidentally killed by his own government.
Then what? Oopsie?
Yeah, pretty much. In my mind, its no different than the American POWs killed when we dropped the atomic bomb on Japan.
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CptBengal
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 8:57 am to DvlsAdvocat)
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In my mind, its no different than the American POWs killed when we dropped the atomic bomb on Japan.
Worse. At least there we had a Congressional declaration of war, and those men were volunteer soldiers.
Here we have executive fiat outside combat on private citizens.
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Anodyne
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 9:00 am to Lsut81)
Even with full due process, innocent people are or have been put to death. This is the reason for the Innocence Project. Therefore, what do we think will happen under this policy?
What prevents CIA SOG from doing the exact same thing to Americans on American soil?
I really cannot believe that this is a reality...an American president condoning the killing of American citizens without due process, without a trial, without anything other than supposed intel.
That is incredibly dangerous even if you do not extrapolate out or down the slippery slope.
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Tchefuncte Tiger 
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 9:02 am to Lsut81)
Why can't they send these drones into Messy-co and South American to kill e-ville drug lords?
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DvlsAdvocat
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 9:04 am to Anodyne)
And yet weren't we all fine with our governments (continuing) confinement of foreigners based on the same supposed intel?
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gatorsimz 
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| re: Re: Drone Strikes; Memo from Justice Department Authorizing (Posted on 2/5/13 at 9:04 am to Anodyne)
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I really cannot believe that this is a reality...an American president condoning the killing of American citizens without due process, without a trial, without anything other than supposed intel.
There's nothing American about him.
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