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Rickety Cricket 
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 5:09 pm to Placebeaux)
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Right but openly allow it and the flood gates overflowith.
The flood gates of what? You think every gay man is just itching to go out and molest a boy in the woods?
The gay people that would be joining are probably gay men who have either adopted a son or who had a son prior to turning full on gay.
Yeah, I would question a gay man without a son who wanted to be involved in BSA, but only as much as I'd question a straight guy with no daughter who wanted to be involved the the girl scouts.
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Placebeaux 
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 5:13 pm to Rickety Cricket)
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Yeah, I would question a gay man without a son who wanted to be involved in BSA, but only as much as I'd question a straight guy with no daughter who wanted to be involved the the girl scouts.
I see your point.
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LSUconvert
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 5:16 pm to Placebeaux)
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Sadly NOTHING.
And you said your only problem was that sandusky types would be more easily allowed in, which you just admitted was false.
So you have no problem with this?
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Placebeaux
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 5:21 pm to LSUconvert)
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And you said your only problem was that sandusky types would be more easily allowed in, which you just admitted was false.
All I'm saying is it happens. There are tons of court cases to prove it happens but if you think that openly allowing it wont increase the chances then you are kidding yourself.
and its not my only problem with it.
This post was edited on 2/4 at 5:24 pm
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Mickey Goldmill
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 5:26 pm to Placebeaux)
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All I'm saying is it happens. There are tons of court cases to prove it happens but if you think that openly allowing it wont increase the chances then you are kidding yourself.
You are still missing the point. Pedos are Pedos. Gays are gays. They are two totally different things.
Should all men be banned from helping their daughters with girl scouts? I mean, you're just asking for trouble there under your logic.
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blueboy
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 5:55 pm to Jimbeaux)
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The Catholic Church sex scandal did have an impact on attendance and support, but it's not the only reason, and probably not thge biggest. First of all, the decline in attendance is not as great as you assume, but that's another story. Secondly, the incidence of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church was not greater than the general population or that of other churches. That's a fact.
I think the dirty little secret that a lot of Catholic families try to sweep their gays under the rug by sending them off to seminary school or the convent, has resulted and will continue to result in the abuse scandals we see today.
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real
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 6:01 pm to TheJacer)
Jacer , I didn't read past your post because you said everything for me! Great post my man and don't be a stranger around here. 
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TrueTiger
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 6:03 pm to DeltaDoc)
They are a private organization so they will do as the membership wishes.
If they get it wrong, people will vote with their feet.
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blueboy
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 6:28 pm to TheJacer)
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Separation of church and state is typical liberal bull shit, peddled by snake oil salesmen pandering to a niche.
We call them the Founding Fathers, and the principle was forged over centuries of watching the numerous crimes against humanity perpetrated by theocracies, practices which continue to this day.
I detest what you call "antitheists" and their ridicule and intolerance of religion, but I'd take them over any of the theocracies throughout history.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 6:33 pm to blueboy)
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I think the dirty little secret that a lot of Catholic families try to sweep their gays under the rug by sending them off to seminary school or the convent, has resulted and will continue to result in the abuse scandals we see today.
A peculiar scenario IMHO.
I suspect gays and lesbians can make that choice on thier own without the encouragement of their families.
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bamafan1001 
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 6:34 pm to Broketec)
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quote:The real question is why did schools kick Boy Scout and Cub Scout troops out 10 years ago? quote:One of the last large youth organizations that promotes conservative values and christian ethics. You answered your own question.... Fairy tales and ghost stories have no place in a place of education. If you want christian ethics for your kid, send 'em to Sunday school. If the boy scouts are promoting as much jebus and gawd as they are promoting how to tie a knot and start a fire with sticks, then they don't belong. But then again, I'm one of those athiests who got to participate in non-religious organizations that met on school grounds. So I never joined the scouts.
So tolerant and classy...
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blueboy
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 6:45 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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I suspect gays and lesbians can make that choice on thier own without the encouragement of their families.
True. Some are in denial and see it as an escape.
Don't get me wrong, I think the vast majority are devout people who just want to serve God, but this element is, IMO, the result of gays being surrounded by a community that they know won't accept them, or gays who refuse to accept the truth about themselves.
And they're right. I grew up with guys who later came out of the closet. They tried to live in S. LA for as long as they could tolerate it, but the ridicule, assault and general shunning wore them down over time and they moved.
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CarrolltonTiger
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 6:48 pm to blueboy)
I'm not arguing that it is not an attractive environment for gays, perhaps some in denial and certainly some as predators. I was doubting that many parent are influential in encouraging obvioulsy gay children into religious orders.
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DawgfaninCa 
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 7:20 pm to Rickety Cricket)
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You do know that Sandusky was married and a closet pedo, right?
Just because Sandusky married a woman it doesn't mean he isn't a male homosexual pedophile.
You do know that a lot of male homosexuals marry women, right?
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davesdawgs
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 7:32 pm to DeltaDoc)
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Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals?
I see it as a big mistake but theirs to make as a private organization. Boy and Girl Scouts are separate for a reason; they aren't about sexuality. Allowing homosexuals in the Scouts basically introduces a sexual aspect that is outside the scope of mission of the Scouts. If it happens, expect a ton of private Scouting organizations to be formed not affiliated with the Boy Scouts of America.
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Mickey Goldmill
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 7:36 pm to davesdawgs)
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Boy and Girl Scouts are separate for a reason; they aren't about sexuality. Allowing homosexuals in the Scouts basically introduces a sexual aspect that is outside the scope of mission of the Scouts.
PLEASE explain to me how allowing a gay 10 year old to join Scouts "introduces a sexual aspect that is outside the scope of mission of the Scouts."
You do realize that a person's sexuality doesn't necessarily define who they are. As far as the pros and cons of allowing this, it's no different than allowing gays to openly serve in the military. There have been no problems at all. 10 year olds who want to join Scouts are doing it because they want to be a scout member, not to hook up with guys. Just like a 25 year old gay man joins the army because he wants to serve his country, not to meet dudes.
Nothing will change in the Scouts just like nothing has changed in the military.
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Placebeaux
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 7:37 pm to Mickey Goldmill)
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You are still missing the point. Pedos are Pedos. Gays are gays. They are two totally different things.
yes individually they are but we are talking about gay pedofiles in the Boy Scouts.
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Mickey Goldmill
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 7:38 pm to Placebeaux)
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yes individually they are but we are talking about gay pedofiles in the Boy Scouts.
Did I miss where the Boy Scouts of America are considering allowing open pedophiles to join?
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Topisawtiger
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 7:42 pm to DeltaDoc)
Didn't read this entire thread, but, the BSA is a private organization and should be able to define their requirements as they please. But then our liberties and freedoms are being erased by a bulldozer these days.
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DawgfaninCa
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| re: Thoughts On Boy Scouts Changing Stance Relative to Homosexuals? (Posted on 2/4/13 at 7:42 pm to Rickety Cricket)
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I would not have participated in it if an openly gay Scout or leader was in my troop.
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So you were a homophobe at an early age.
It's not homophobia. It's freedom of association. In other words, to freely associate with whomever you choose. In the case of the Boy Scouts, It's freedom of sexual orientation association.
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