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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:22 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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I understand if you disagree with people's choice to vote democrat or consider themselves liberal. But to say this is because they "blindly" follow a party as if they cannot think critically and make decisions that are best for their lives and their families is silly.
it's not silly. it's sad. most super religious people follow the GOP just as blindly and are just as sad
i don't support the DEMs or GOP. i'm objective. i don't think most people can articulate why they vote for who they vote for. but since we're talking about black people and the Democratic vote specifically, i'll say i think that it's completely sad that they blindly vote DEM
i mean frick the DEM platform is typically against the social beliefs of black voters even, but this is ignored
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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Absolute lie. Link this up for me
Umm, this thread maybe?
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Fact.
Link?
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No, another lie. You stated it was
I said the party that is more likely to argue racism is dead (which I believe to be the GOP, if you disagree that is fine), and that if this is representative of the party at large. Link me to where I stated it was. Sorry you read into whats not there, I can't help you with that.
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You can't garner support for minority groups who have been effectively separated by their paranoia unless you pander directly to them. This is an unfortunate fact the GOP has failed to capitalize upon. You can't promise things for the good of humanity, you have to promise goodies to black folk, gay folk and women folk..directly. Just the way it is.
Maybe this is true. Or maybe it is because the perception-at-large of the GOP when it comes to its social view on race sucks.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:25 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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You act as if minorities have been voting Democrat since forever?
they've been voting DEM since the 60s and never looked back
they see the GOP as racists even though Democratic leaders in the south were against the civil rights movement
they ignore their largely conservative social beliefs (that align with the GOP) to vote DEM
the DEMs have mastered the art of framing issues and creating absurd commentary of their enemies. their voting bloc is much more single issue and this hurts the GOP, b/c if you can't get a generic GOP candidate, GOP voters will just stay home in large numbers
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:26 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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I said the party that is more likely to argue racism is dead
Pure fantasy, bubba.
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Absolute lie. Link this up for me
Umm, this thread maybe?
More pure fantasy, and embellishment on your part.
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onmymedicalgrind
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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The Dems learned how to play the game, Republicans didn't. It's a game.
And what is the game and how do the Dems play it so much better than the republicans? Serious question.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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Pure fantasy, bubba.
My opinion through my own personal experiences. If you disagree thats fine.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:28 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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Umm, this thread maybe?
i only read this thread from page 6 on. is there any racism from page 6 on?
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Maybe this is true. Or maybe it is because the perception-at-large of the GOP when it comes to its social view on race sucks.
and it's a view
how many national GOP candidates do you believe are legitimately racist?
do you think Romney was a racist? George W Bush? John McCain? what do YOU think?
FOR THE RECORD, i've worked on democratic campaigns and i'm a registered DEM and i see how the race card is used
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RogerTheShrubber
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:30 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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Pure fantasy, bubba.
My opinion through my own personal experiences. If you disagree thats fine.
Gotcha. You claim something that isn't true, so you throw out the anecdotal personal experience.
You clearly stated that it was a widespread belief expressed here that racism is dead, and I have never once seen this posted.
It will always exist, but isn't nearly as widespread (unless you change the definition, as you have) as many paranoid people believe.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:31 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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And what is the game
politics/PR
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and how do the Dems play it so much better than the republicans? Serious question.
i argue it's based on 2 things
1. the DEMs don't really have a set of core beliefs. they shift and change as it suits each election
2. the DEMs are much better at framing issues, and the DEM-majority media works with them in order to do this
i'll give you a great example from 2012. Romney did everything he could to ignore social issues in the election. he was running on economics and he was pretty vanilla on his social stances. what wins the DEMs the election? their framing of social issues (mainly targeted at women) and allegations that Romney basically wanted to hurt women (when he never did)
i'll give you another great example from 2012. Romney was the guy who always came down on both sides of the issue and this was his label by the DEMs/media. so Obama goes back on gay marriage, and instead of being thrown in the fire like Romney was, he was allowed to claim he "evolved"
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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that is ONLY due to circumstance of the time when slavery became seen as wrong, internationally. at that time we were the country that required the most slaves due to our nation's output. it's just a matter of circumstance europe exported their slaves to the US to benefit europe, and then got self-rigteous about slavery while enjoying the fruits of slavery's industry in the US and Carribean. they don't have the legacy of slavery b/c there weren't that many slaves left in Europe by the time we outlawed it this set of circumstances isn't our fault
No sure what you're saying here. We have more "slavery legacy" problems because we imported more slaves, bred more slaves, and continued the institution longer than Europe--but it's not our fault because we needed it more?
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kids born to non-citizens in Germany (often Turks)are not given full citizenship like they are in America. how is that not a jim crow law? they're discriminated against via national law
That's not a Jim Crow law. Jus Soli is the American way of doing things, but it's by no means the only just or humane way of granting citizenship.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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i don't support the DEMs or GOP. i'm objective. i don't think most people can articulate why they vote for who they vote for. but since we're talking about black people and the Democratic vote specifically, i'll say i think that it's completely sad that they blindly vote DEM
And there is some truth to this, I'm not going to lie about that. With social pressures and thinks of that nature, too often if you are black you are "expected" to vote Democrat, regardless of what is best for you or why you are doing so. I think that is completely wrong.
At the same time, there are alot of people who go to the polls and vote Dem, and I don't think it is fair to say that any more of them "blindly" follow democratic party and have no clue why when compared to those people who "blindly" follow the GOP. Imo, they probably cancel out.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:33 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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The Dems learned how to play the game, Republicans didn't. It's a game.
And what is the game and how do the Dems play it so much better than the republicans? Serious question.
Divide the population, and exploit fears for the sake of the vote. It's what politicians do. Dems figured this out decades ago and have mastered it.
Republicans failed to see that this is a special interest world with specific needs and one size doesn't fit all anymore.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:35 pm to SlowFlowPro)
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and it's a view
I agree, and like I said earlier, perception =/= reality. But if someone had this "view," and read this conservative board for a week, their view would only be strengthened (and at the very least, definitely not dissuaded).
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ow many national GOP candidates do you believe are legitimately racist?
do you think Romney was a racist? George W Bush? John McCain? what do YOU think?
None of them.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:35 pm to Navytiger74)
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We have more "slavery legacy" problems because we imported more slaves, bred more slaves, and continued the institution longer than Europe--but it's not our fault because we needed it more?
no. EUROPE needed it more. who do you think was buying our products abroad?
without their demand for our goods, we wouldn't have had slavery. they would have had more slavery, and later, and their societal movement would not have occurred. it's kind of shitty for them to look down on us while buying the products made available due to slaves
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That's not a Jim Crow law.
where do you draw the line on laws meant to separate rights by group?
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:37 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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So you think intentional racism is dead, but how about prejudice ideologies, subconscious discrimination, etc? They all impact race relations.
Prejudice is a vital part of evolution. If a species has no prejudice based on past experience it will go extinct. Having the conciousness to recognize one's prejudice and the ability to overcome it is what makes us human.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:37 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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Then you should know you are comparing apples and oranges. The fact a handful of Blacks may not suffer from de jure segregation doesn't mean any European nation wants a substantial number of Blacks in their midst and if there were such a group they would have had a better history.
I don't doubt that. All societies will tolerate minorities in small numbers. As the numbers go up, so does the resentment. It's why Iranian Jews aren't mistreated. But people being mistreated don't care about they why.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:38 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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With social pressures and thinks of that nature, too often if you are black you are "expected" to vote Democrat, regardless of what is best for you or why you are doing so. I think that is completely wrong.
a black poster on here was public in his support of the GOP and posted the responses. it was funny
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there are alot of people who go to the polls and vote Dem, and I don't think it is fair to say that any more of them "blindly" follow democratic party and have no clue why when compared to those people who "blindly" follow the GOP. Imo, they probably cancel out.
sure, but at a 90%+ rate?
it's hard to find/create any group that will vote for a party at that rate.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:39 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
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But if someone had this "view," and read this conservative board for a week, their view would only be strengthened (and at the very least, definitely not dissuaded).
based on what, exactly?
people getting mad at others of shitty culture doing shitty things?
this applies regardless of race. white trash is mocked all the time on here, too
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber)
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Gotcha. You claim something that isn't true, so you throw out the anecdotal personal experience.
I never threw out fact, but an opinion and then posed a question. You obviously disagree. But sorry to break it to you, but your opinion =/= fact.
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You clearly stated that it was a widespread belief expressed here that racism is dead, and I have never once seen this posted.
You really need to stop paraphrasing (poorly) what I say and quote me. I said it is "often" stated. Not that it is a widespread belief by everybody on here.
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| re: What NOT to say during Black History Month (Posted on 2/2/13 at 1:43 pm to onmymedicalgrind)
Semantics.
Damn, that was easy.
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