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Anyone honestly believe guys like trumka and hoff jr didn't know this? These fricking guys don't care one iota. Elite status.





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CollegeFBRules
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Lets look at this from a common sense standpoint.

Remove limits on insurance payout.
Add another 30 million people to the health system.
Insure kids till 26.
Allow people to get insurance at anytime regardless of preexisting conditions

Yea, the increases that are being seen is from normal yearly increases...


Bingo, but they fixed a broken system. Drink the kool-aid.



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Taxing Authority
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And promised lower health care costs apparently meant higher but not as high.
It's the classic boogey man fallacy.

We can do this all day...
"Just think how many more terrorist attacks we would have had without taking out Saddam?"

Same reason congressmen vote for stupid stimulus bills. Even it fails they can say "well, it would have been worse if we didn't pass it."

There's basically no way to be held accountable...



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NoHoTiger
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Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false

i am absolutely shocked that a politician would lie to further his or her political cause. Shocked I tell you. I mean really, pandering for votes. Who would do such a thing?






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CollegeFBRules
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i am absolutely shocked that a politician would lie to further his or her political cause. Shocked I tell you. I mean really, pandering for votes. Who would do such a thing?




Only Democrats do that!






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The greatest thing has been the info over the past week that the Unions realize that they got fricked
I'm a member of a Union. As an individual I knew those bastards in Washington were lying. You should have seen the shock on the faces of people with dependents when they found they now had to pay more for their dependent coverage. In my particular union, this has never happened.
#frickingidiots if they thought anyone in Washington or any type of political position is looking out for anyone other than his or her continued position of power.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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Redefining success. Nice.

Nope, that was my understanding at the time - costs would go up, but not as much. I thought it was a set up for a single payer system in the future.






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Why do I have a sick feeling that those union members will receive subsidies?

Individual union members aren't getting anything but fricked like the rest of you. Our dues, which cover our premiums, went up and our benefits went down, just like everyone else. Please do not confuse the political hacks of the union with the union members themselves.






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NoHoTiger
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Only Democrats do that!

Exactly. Except change out Democrats for "Politicians" or "Those with any measurable power" and you've really got something.
Morning CFB






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jcole4lsu
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I thought it was a set up for a single payer system in the future.

thats not what it was sold to the american public as though. mental gymnastics are required to think this abortion of a piece of legislation is a good thing as is. thats something you are quite comfortable with though obviously






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CollegeFBRules
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Morning, NoHo...even though my clock is at 12:30.





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even though my clock is at 12:30

Yeah, mine's still at 10:30






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WildTchoupitoulas
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thats something you are quite comfortable with though obviously

Can you EVER make a post without absurd presumptions? You're so fricking predictable with your shite.

I'm sure if you really cared enough to figure it out, you could just look up the projections for health care cost increases before ACA and after. It's not rocket science.

Is this the point in my post where I'm supposed make some presumptuous statements about your character?

I didn't say I was for ACA, I said it was my understanding that it was supposed to be a smaller increase in HC costs. Is it or is it not? If it is not, then it is an utter failure, if it is, then it's only a partial failure.

So much freaking out with so little actual information.






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Are they going up more than they would have without ACA?

Quite possibly- the requirements for coverage by default increase demand on the new services that are now required to be covered.

The point of passing the bill was that they were already too high. Are they lower? Because the article is correct in talking about that being a claim.

If that's a rhetorical sleight-of-hand IYV, fine, but it was not originated by this article. It was in fact originated by the proponents of the bill.
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Stopped reading

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my spidey sense tells me to look for an agenda

so you reject all of this?






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Anyone who really wants to understand the healthcare crisis, how we got here, how Obamacare was passed, what the implications are, where we are headed, and how to fix the mess you need to read:

Open wide and say Moo! It is an easy read, very entertaining, and very informative. Depressing for sure, but everyone needs to know, since this is about every single on of us.

Unless that is, you are a congressperson, or one of their family members...

The book on Kindle is $5, and if you don't want to pay for it, you can read the entire book in the guys blog:

Open Wide and say Moo!






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Newbomb Turk
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IOW, will the ACA cost less than PROJECTED costs would have otherwise? That doesn't seem to be addressed. And when that omission occurs, my spidey sense tells me to look for an agenda.


You've just created this country's largest government bureaucracy -- WHAT THE F*CK DO YOU THINK THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS?

Think every other government bureaucracy.

You can't be this f*cking stupid.






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WildTchoupitoulas
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so you reject all of this?

I guess I pretty much do. I see the whole system as a scam. If they really wanted to reform public health care, they would've scrapped the whole thing and started all over. I think that'll happen eventually anyway once this rotten structure collapses. I just don't remember being told that it would ring total costs down, but rather decrease the rate of costs goin up.

No one seems to remember it the way I do, but then no one seems to remember the graphs Jindal was using on health care costs when he was first running for office. It showed a STEEP upwards curve that was supposed to consume 100% of our budget [ETA: State budget, that is] by 2018 or something. That was PRE-ACA. Now so many just act like everything was hunky-dory before this mean old Obamacare came along. It wasn't, we were frickED.

I'll just never forget that Arkansas woman standing up at that public meeting screaming, "I don't want the government touching my medicare!!!"




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WildTchoupitoulas
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Hey, BombedTurk, try this:







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Newbomb Turk
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Is that what you do every minute of every day?


Well, that explains A LOT.

Oh, and I stand corrected -- you are that f*cking stupid.






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Good boy, now go to the kitchen and get a treat.






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