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90proofprofessional 
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| Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:37 am)
This article attacks many of the arguments laid out in defense of ACA during the debate, specifically:
-lower healthcare costs
-smaller deficits
-preservation of existing insurance
-increased productivity
Can anyone pick apart the criticisms in this article? WSJ
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Elcid96
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:40 am to 90proofprofessional)
Relax its just our grand kids money! All is good everyone gets health insurance ... Oh wait
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Lsut81
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:40 am to 90proofprofessional)
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Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false
The greatest thing has been the info over the past week that the Unions realize that they got fricked 
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white perch
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:44 am to Lsut81)
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the Unions realize that they got fricked
I didn't hear about this, what happened?
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LSUGrrrl
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:52 am to white perch)
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I didn't hear about this, what happened?
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wickowick
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:54 am to LSUGrrrl)
Labor Unions Finally Read Obamacare Fine Print, Realize Costs Set To Spike
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davesdawgs 
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:56 am to 90proofprofessional)
The obvious question is where was this in depth analysis prior to the passage of the bill? Oh that's right, we had to pass to see what was in it. This shite should be repealed but now it's too late; the liberal Dems have fricked us again and we are supposed to be happy about it. Next on the liberal agenda: gun control legislation and amnesty for illegal immigrants. 
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Lsut81
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:58 am to white perch)
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I didn't hear about this, what happened?
Wick just posted it....
They realize that their rates are going to skyrocket and say that theres no reason for people to join a union if they don't get something special 
frick the Unions 
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CollegeFBRules
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:59 am to 90proofprofessional)
Somehow it was believed the entirety of government history in regards to entitlement programs was going to be completely different with healthcare. Ignore the fact that Medicare and Medicaid was already out there as models, they were gonna get this one right.
Just as soon settle in. We will all get to know each other better in the lines we are going to be waiting in together.
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WildTchoupitoulas
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:59 am to 90proofprofessional)
Stopped reading here:
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• Lower health-care costs. One key talking point for ObamaCare was that it would reduce the cost of insurance, especially for non-group insurance. The president, citing the work of several health-policy experts, claimed that improved care coordination, investments in information technology, and more efficient marketing through exchanges would save the typical family $2,500 per year.
That was then. Now, even advocates for the law acknowledge that premiums are going up.
Are they going up more than they would have without ACA?
They aren't comparing ACA future costs with the future costs, they're comparing them to past and present costs.
IOW, will the ACA cost less than PROJECTED costs would have otherwise? That doesn't seem to be addressed. And when that omission occurs, my spidey sense tells me to look for an agenda.
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LSUGrrrl
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:00 pm to wickowick)
Why do I have a sick feeling that those union members will receive subsidies?
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GumboPot
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:00 pm to 90proofprofessional)
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-lower healthcare costs
-smaller deficits
-preservation of existing insurance
-increased productivity
I haven't read the article yet but to me the biggest false claim was, "it's not a tax".
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wickowick
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:02 pm to LSUGrrrl)
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Why do I have a sick feeling that those union members will receive subsidies?
If the administration can find a way they will...
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Taxing Authority
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:06 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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Are they going up more than they would have without ACA?
Redefining success. Nice.
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junkfunky
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:07 pm to Taxing Authority)
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Redefining success. Nice.
And promised lower health care costs apparently meant higher but not as high.
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CollegeFBRules
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:07 pm to GumboPot)
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I haven't read the article yet but to me the biggest false claim was, "it's not a tax".
Thank John Roberts for being a complete f'ing fool on this issue.
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Homesick Tiger
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:08 pm to Lsut81)
My only hope is that this shite goes away, eventually, as did prohibition. Might take a few years but hopefully voters will tire of the bulge, Obamacare, being shoved up their arse and then we will do away with it with some politicians with guts.
I won't hold my breath though.
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:09 pm to CollegeFBRules)
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Somehow it was believed the entirety of government history in regards to entitlement programs was going to be completely different with healthcare. Ignore the fact that Medicare and Medicaid was already out there as models, they were gonna get this one right.
Yes College, but the Messiah was never in charge of those past failures!
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wickowick
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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Are they going up more than they would have without ACA?
Lets look at this from a common sense standpoint.
Remove limits on insurance payout.
Add another 30 million people to the health system.
Insure kids till 26.
Allow people to get insurance at anytime regardless of preexisting conditions
Yea, the increases that are being seen is from normal yearly increases...
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McLemore
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| re: Every one of the main claims made for Obamacare is turning out to be false (Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:12 pm to WildTchoupitoulas)
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Stopped reading here:
wow, you are a slightly more patient reader than Pelosi.
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