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doubleb  LSU Fan Baton Rouge Member since Aug 2006 2919 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:20 pm to Decatur)
In today's society even our leaders encourage and participate in a selective enforcement and a selective adherence to law. It's almost to the point where anything goes if you are politically correct.
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Jbird  Iowa Fan Odramaville with EthanL Member since Oct 2012 4934 posts
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| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:27 pm to junkfunky)
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That question is intended to be rhetorical but I think fedgov might have a different opinion of what the obvious answer is.
This is why the Fed blackmails states.
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Powerman  LSU Fan Corpus Christi, TX Member since Jan 2004 115660 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:30 pm to Decatur)
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Who determines whether the laws violate said civil liberties?
I knew that question was going to come up But in most cases the required enforcement of an additional law isn't usually for the purpose of promoting civil liberties Just my take
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TigerintheNO  LSU Fan New Orleans Member since Jan 2004 18934 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:33 pm to Powerman)
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Who determines whether the laws violate said civil liberties? I knew that question was going to come up But in most cases the required enforcement of an additional law isn't usually for the purpose of promoting civil liberties
Is the right to own property a civil liberty?
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trackfan  LSU Fan Baton Rouge Member since Sep 2010 10866 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:39 pm to Decatur)
I guess it doesn't really surprise me that the attitudes of Southerners regarding states rights hasn't changed very much since the days when George Wallace way yelling, "Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"
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Turbeauxdog  LSU Fan Member since Aug 2004 4708 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:41 pm to trackfan)
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I guess it doesn't really surprise me that the attitudes of Southerners regarding states rights hasn't changed very much since the days when George Wallace way yelling, "Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!"
Liberal chimes in with cries of racism. Typical.
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theGarnetWay  South Carolina Fan Columbia, SC Member since Mar 2010 7900 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:44 pm to Decatur)
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Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to?
What would be the purpose of a federal law if states can just pick and choose which ones they want to uphold and which ones they don't? eta: With that said I can understand the concern and the idea of not letting Federal power rule supreme and unchecked.
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TigerintheNO  LSU Fan New Orleans Member since Jan 2004 18934 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:46 pm to Decatur)
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Mississippi, Arizona, Wyoming, even Louisiana is thinking about dipping their toes into the water - Who else am I missing?
Colorado & Washington, but since those were drugs and not guns I guess the don't count
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tigeraddict  LSU Fan Baton Rouge Member since Mar 2007 4435 posts
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| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:49 pm to Decatur)
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Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to?
Should the Executive Branch be able to selectively enforce laws passed by the legislative branch?
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Decatur  LSU Fan Member since Mar 2007 14888 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:49 pm to Turbeauxdog)
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Liberal chimes in with cries of racism. Typical.
Well...
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Per the Jackson Free Press, among other things, HB 490 intends to: "prohibit the infringement of the constitutionally protected rights of the state of Mississippi or its people by means of any federal statute, mandate, executive order, judicial decision, or other action deemed by the state to be unconstitutional" "assert the sovereignty of the state under the Mississippi constitution of 1890" Previous attempts by Mississippi to defy the federal government, from secession to the Sovereignty Commission—a state agency that spied on people believed to support racial equality—have not gone so well, notes the AP. "It's absolutely the most horrendous idea that has ever come before this august body," said Democrat Steve Holland of the bill. "It is political fodder for the right and borderline stupid."
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Decatur  LSU Fan Member since Mar 2007 14888 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:51 pm to TigerintheNO)
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Colorado & Washington, but since those were drugs and not guns I guess the don't count
They're not stopping the feds from enforcing fed law They're not going to arrest fed agents who attempt to enforce the law
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Queen  LSU Fan 383 miles from Death Valley Member since Nov 2009 2404 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:05 pm to Decatur)
FWIW, the Jackson Free Press is pretty liberal. But I gave you the link you quoted from, and I'm not here to attack your source. But the fact that Mississippi at one time used states' rights to further a racist agenda does not mean that's what they're trying to do today. Two different purposes.
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Cholo  Arkansas Fan El Paso, Texas Member since Oct 2012 975 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:08 pm to Decatur)
Absolutely. States need to push back and re-establish state rights. Texas forever!
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Grizzly  Southern Cal Fan Member since Oct 2012 1776 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:09 pm to Decatur)
Why not?, The guy in the white house has ignored the constitution over the last 4 years and ready to shite all over it the next 4. Why can't a state flip Washington the big bird when it chooses to as well?
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Decatur  LSU Fan Member since Mar 2007 14888 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:10 pm to tigeraddict)
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Should the Executive Branch be able to selectively enforce laws passed by the legislative branch?
valid point IMO I think there are very few instances where the Exec Branch refuses to enforce a fed law, and even then it mostly has to do with whether the Exec Branch will defend a law in court. Found a well-reasoned blog post at RedState.com that expounds upon this (although I don't agree with the writer on a few other points):
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An Administration cannot willy nilly decide not to defend a law in court. To do so, they must reach the decision, after analysis, that the provisions in question are unconstitutional. They cannot simply stop defending a duly enacted law in court because they have a policy disagreement with it. And even then, they must have a reasonable expectation of prevailing in the argument when the courts do decide the constitutionality of the provision or law in question. As for enforcing duly enacted legislation, the case become a little more muddy. The President takes an oath to faithfully execute the laws of the United States. As important, if not more important, that oath also specifies that they uphold the Constitution. That is one “out” for the Executive branch- they can refuse to enforce a law if they believe it is unconstitutional since the Constitution, as the supreme law of the land, takes precedence over acts of Congress. Hence, Congress is under a duty not to pass unconstitutional laws, the President is under a duty not to enforce unconstitutional laws, and the courts are under a duty to strike down unconstitutional laws. ... So, can the Administration refuse to defend a duly enacted law? Yes they can and they have provided (1) there is considered belief the provision in question is unconstitutional and (2) they reasonably believe their view will ultimately prevail upon judicial review. Obama’s action is rare, but not novel with respect to DOMA. Can a President refuse to enforce a law? Yes they can, but only if there is a constitutional question involved that impinges on the power of the Executive, especially as concerns their role as Commander-in-Chief. At best, Obama can say he is exercising prosecutorial discretion.
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Patrick O Rly  New Orleans Saints Fan y u do dis? Member since Aug 2011 25621 posts
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| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:11 pm to Powerman)
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The states should be able to ignore any law that violates civil liberties of the state residents They should only have to abide by laws that protect the liberties of individuals i.e. stuff like gun laws should not have to be followed
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crawdaddy52  Vanderbilt Fan Member since Dec 2010 507 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:16 pm to Queen)
Red states talk tough until they need money. As has been stated many times on this board, Al gets $1.60 for every dollar they send to the federal government. Blue states, like Ca, Minn pay for states like Al, MS, LA. I know everybody from LA will post about their oil ...blah, blah. Ca. is in debt but it is their debt. I find it ludicrous that people post so smugly on this board when most of them of from these free loader states. I'm sure I'm gonna hear the demographics argument. It's been 150 years since "the war", if you're ideas are so good why does your state suck at making money.
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Diamondawg  Mississippi St. Fan Mississippi Member since Oct 2006 8264 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:17 pm to TigerintheNO)
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Is the right to own property a civil liberty?
No. But, once you do and follow the laws, pay the taxes and such, you have a right to keep it (unless eminent domain kicks in).
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TigerintheNO  LSU Fan New Orleans Member since Jan 2004 18934 posts

| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:19 pm to crawdaddy52)
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. Blue states, like Ca, Minn pay for states like Al, MS, LA
We are $17 trillion in debt, everyone is getting more that what they put in.
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udtiger  LSU Fan Louisiana Member since Nov 2006 18037 posts
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| re: Should a state be able to ignore any federal law that it wants to? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:19 pm to Decatur)
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I think there are very few instances where the Exec Branch refuses to enforce a fed law, and even then it mostly has to do with whether the Exec Branch will defend a law in court. Found a well-reasoned blog post at RedState.com that expounds upon this (although I don't agree with the writer on a few other points):
what about immigration laws?
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