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DeltaDoc  LSU Fan The Delta Member since Jan 2008 6347 posts

| Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:14 pm)
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(CNN) -- A 224-foot-long U.S. warship will have to be cut into smaller pieces to get it off a Philippine reef where it grounded two weeks ago, Navy officials said Wednesday. They said that's the only way to prevent further damage to the Tubbataha Reef, a Philippine national park and UNESCO World Heritage site, where the USS Guardian, an Avenger-class mine countermeasures ship, ran aground on January 17. Survivors mark anniversary of cruise ship grounding Lt. Anthony Falvo, a U.S. Navy Pacific Fleet spokesman in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, told CNN on Wednesday that Navy salvage experts are still formulating the details of how they'll cut up the 1,312-ton minesweeper. Crews are now working to remove any hazardous materials from the vessel and will look to save anything that could still prove useful to the Navy. The ship's 15,000 gallons of diesel fuel were removed last week. "We will strip it out beforehand. We'll work to salvage any parts that can be salvaged," Falvo said. Then the cutting will begin.
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As for other costs, Philippine officials said last week that the Philippines would seek compensation for damage to the reef. About 1,000 square meters (about 10,760 square feet) of it have been damaged. "It's a damage to a world heritage site. It's a damage to our natural resources. It's a damage to an important site. We cannot but put emphasis on the importance of this reef as a heritage site," presidential spokesman Edwin Lacierda said. The reef is home to a vast array of sea, air and land creatures, as well as sizable lagoons and two coral islands. About 500 species of fish and 350 species of coral can be found there, as can whales, dolphins, sharks, turtles and breeding seabirds, according to UNESCO. The salvage operation must ensure that the reef sustains no further damage, Lacierda said.
Wonder what the replacement cost is on a mine-sweeper that is over 200 feet long? It cost $61m 23 years ago.
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CarrolltonTiger  LSU Fan New Orleans Member since Aug 2005 44149 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:17 pm to DeltaDoc)
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Wonder what the replacement cost is on a mine-sweeper that is over 200 feet long? It cost $61m 23 years ago.
Wonder what the cost for damge to the reef will be?
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C  LSU Fan The Woodlands, TX Member since Dec 2007 17514 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:18 pm to DeltaDoc)
Seems odd that they can't float the ship off once they stripped a large amount of weight off the vessel. It would be interesting to see the incident report.
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TigerinATL  New Orleans Saints Fan Member since Feb 2005 26612 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:26 pm to DeltaDoc)
Green Job Creation
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DeltaDoc  LSU Fan The Delta Member since Jan 2008 6347 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:27 pm to CarrolltonTiger)
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Wonder what the cost for damge to the reef will be?
Don't know. Given the area of damage (1100 sq meters) and the ability of reef to regenerate, who knows?
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DeltaDoc  LSU Fan The Delta Member since Jan 2008 6347 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:29 pm to C)
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Seems odd that they can't float the ship off once they stripped a large amount of weight off the vessel. It would be interesting to see the incident report.
I have a buddy that ran a 24 Pathfinder bay boat about 200 yards across a point that did not show up on his GPS one night (no one was injured...probably because of their BACs). I have a feeling something similar happened here. He said the path through the cattails looked like a UFO crash site. 
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CITWTT  LSU Fan baton rouge Member since Sep 2005 25701 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:34 pm to DeltaDoc)
That skipper is so screwed it ain't funny. The operators of the sonar were derelict to say the least.
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White Roach  LSU Fan Madisonville, LA Member since Apr 2009 1560 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:34 pm to DeltaDoc)
Several Naval careers just came to a screeching halt. I can't imagine how this happened... How far off course were these guys?
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RollTide1987  Alabama Fan Pensacola, Florida Member since Nov 2009 17725 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:35 pm to DeltaDoc)
So we are going to destroy one of our ships, a ship that cost tens of millions of dollars of our tax money to build, to save a freaking coral reef from unnecessary damage?! Not only that....the Filipinos are going to ask us for compensation money? Seriously?!
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DeltaDoc  LSU Fan The Delta Member since Jan 2008 6347 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:43 pm to RollTide1987)
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So we are going to destroy one of our ships, a ship that cost tens of millions of dollars of our tax money to build, to save a freaking coral reef from unnecessary damage?! Not only that....the Filipinos are going to ask us for compensation money? Seriously?!
I know...sounds like a decision made by Ray Mabus...Secretary of the Navy...and probably the worst governor in Mississippi's long history of shitty governors.
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White Roach  LSU Fan Madisonville, LA Member since Apr 2009 1560 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:43 pm to RollTide1987)
I'd guess they can't refloat it without making a bigger mess, but who knows. Maybe we're sucking up to the Filipinos. Maybe the Navy wants a new minesweeper.
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C  LSU Fan The Woodlands, TX Member since Dec 2007 17514 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:46 pm to RollTide1987)
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the Filipinos are going to ask us for compensation money? Seriously?!
We can argue about the amounts but we did do damage so I have no problem with some money being paid and I hope the navy slams the crew members responsible; criminally if possible.
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UncleFestersLegs Columbia MO Member since Nov 2010 575 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 2:57 pm to C)
Cut it in half and sink it close by to form a new reef.
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rickgrimes  LSU Fan Member since Jan 2011 2859 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:29 pm to DeltaDoc)
What the hell kind of a mine sweeper is this ship if it can't see a frickin' coral reef?
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Jim Rockford  LSU Fan Member since May 2011 23933 posts
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| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 3:46 pm to RollTide1987)
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So we are going to destroy one of our ships, a ship that cost tens of millions of dollars of our tax money to build, to save a freaking coral reef from unnecessary damage?! Not only that....the Filipinos are going to ask us for compensation money? Seriously?!
If you drove your truck into my house, I'd expect you to get it out in a manner that caused the least additional damage, and I'd for damn sure expect compensation. This isn't rocket science.
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ClydeFrog  Oklahoma Fan Oklahoma Member since Jul 2012 1393 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:20 pm to DeltaDoc)
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Philippine officials said last week that the Philippines would seek compensation for damage to the reef.
Now that is straight bull shite. We can charge them for our Navy's role in securing their waters.
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Siderophore  LSU Fan Member since Nov 2010 3334 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:37 pm to DeltaDoc)
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Don't know. Given the area of damage (1100 sq meters) and the ability of reef to regenerate, who knows?
The damage is likely permanent, and won't be repaired. And it wouldnt be like it was regardless. FWIW, Greenpeace paid 7000 in damages for 100 meter impact.
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Siderophore  LSU Fan Member since Nov 2010 3334 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:38 pm to Jim Rockford)
Apparently it is for some here....
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Siderophore  LSU Fan Member since Nov 2010 3334 posts

| re: Navy To Cut Up Stranded Ship...To Prevent Reef Damage (Posted on 1/31/13 at 4:40 pm to CITWTT)
Why do you think the active sonar was on?
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