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olgoi khorkhoi
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This discussion is a great example of classroom ideology that needs to stay in a classroom. Given human nature and thousands of years of human experience, it has no place in reality. Not 2000 years ago, not today.





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MrCarton
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IMO the solution to immigration is simple. You want to be an American, defend America. Enlist in a branch of the military for no less than 4 years.



This already happens. I disagree with it vehemently.


I fail to see the free movement theory as a Workable or desirable one.






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Poodlebrain
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The only problem with this being a right is he imposes conditions on the exercise of the right. Namely,
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“As long as the person obeys the law and pays taxes what business is it of the federal government where they were born?”
As such, immigration isn't a right, it is a privilege granted by the host nation.

One can argue that granting the privilege of entry should be automatic, and I am 100% in favor of this, but the conditions for remaining still must be met for continued residence. And those requirements should be strictly enforced. I'd even go so far as to impose an additional condition, learning to speak and read English.






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Mike da Tigah
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I don't have an issue with legal immigration. I do however have a problem with the concept that Americans don't have the right to say who comes and goes along one geographic border, and then after the invasion has occurred illegally or rather without our consent, that those who have been going through the process of obtaining legal citizenship all this time from other countries that don't perhaps border this country will have to wait so that others can cut in line in front of them, those who did not even have to be checked in, much less go through a process to citizenship. That is what I like to refer to as UNJUST at the highest level.





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Aubie Spr96
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I've actually started to come around to this view myself.

Freedom of movement seems pretty basic to me.






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Enumerated Powers
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The Congress shall have Power [...] To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization





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ugasickem
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So it's my land?


This land is my land, this land is your land.






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texashorn
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Naturalization is one, yes.

Also, I think it depends on what your definition of "invasion" is as to whether open borders are Constitutionally preferred.

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U.S. Constitution
Article IV, Section 4

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.


A court could hold such definition to be similar to an invasive species of plants, which is non-native to the area (I don't have time to look up whether any court decisions have validated this line of thinking, which is held by many who favor a strict immigration process).

I also think the "freedom of movement" has been held by the courts to mean that you can travel from state to state or city to city within the U.S. without papers, not country to country.






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Poodlebrain
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I'm ignorant
The most accurate words you've written for this website. Instead of wasting our time demonstrating your ignorance why don't you go learn something about the subject matter so you don't come expose yourself to ridicule and contempt.






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olgoi khorkhoi
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Josh Norris claims as his own, "property" that was taken by force and protected by the government that he hates until he could take ownership of it. He then decries the government and violence, without which, he would be living under tyranny in Europe.

Rich.

Preach on, preacher man.






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DawgfaninCa
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And he is absolutely right. What you consider immigration, is really just freedom of movement.



Good. I have the natural right to move into your house.

BTW, I'm bringing all my relatives with me.







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Mike da Tigah
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BTW, I'm bringing all my relatives with me.



Yeah, me too. You'll love my two crazy aunts. One likes to get high all day and eat chocolates and predict the future in her crystals, and the other consumes vast amounts of vino and tell you what's wrong with you. Be sure to stock up. They also think that they are entitled.








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DawgfaninCa
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Are you a citizen?


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Unfortunately.


Unfortunately for the rest of us citizens.


Hey, you have the freedom to move your arse to some other country.

Oh, that's right. They have borders too so you're stuck here.




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RollTide1987
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re: The Judge: Immigration is a Natural Right


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This discussion is a great example of classroom ideology that needs to stay in a classroom. Given human nature and thousands of years of human experience, it has no place in reality. Not 2000 years ago, not today.


That's what pure libertarianism in. It is a dangerous political philosophy (in its purest form) which hovers on anarchy. Thomas Jefferson, probably the most libertarian of any of the founding fathers, would not approve of this line of thinking.







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DawgfaninCa
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My AR-15 says it's my land. And not your land.


That's why the same creeps are trying to take your AR-15 away from you.







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DawgfaninCa
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Yeah, me too. You'll love my two crazy aunts. One likes to get high all day and eat chocolates and predict the future in her crystals, and the other consumes vast amounts of vino and tell you what's wrong with you. Be sure to stock up. They also think that they are entitled.


Great! Your relatives will get along fine with my relatives while we all take over this schmucks house.









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CarrolltonTiger
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That's what pure libertarianism in. It is a dangerous political philosophy


Radical libertarianism is the flip side of Communism, only without any organizational ability or interest from people that are able to actually do things besides talk.






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davesdawgs
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Yea, while I agree with Judge Napolitano in principle, the free flow of immigrants also means terrorists potentially with nuclear weapons are free to move in and out of our country. Sound logic. Unfortunately it might take a major terrorist strike against Los Angeles or Silicon Valley for free thinkers to see the huge fail in this policy.





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DawgfaninCa
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if you want to come here, I see no rational reason to stop you.


What if someone immigrating here has a communicable disease or has criminal intentions.

Are those rational reasons for preventing that person from immigrating here?







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CarrolltonTiger
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What if someone immigrating here has a communicable disease or has criminal intentions.


We put them in the military and let them earn their citizenship.






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