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Cincinnati Bowtie
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/30/13 at 2:02 pm to Nuts4LSU)
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Wilcox was the end
You have no idea what you're talking about. I was a teammate of Tommy at Bonnabel and he never considered LSU at all. His Dad and our Coach, Willie Hof, were teammates at Tulane back when LSU was crushing them each year. The only Schools He considered were Bama and Ole Miss. Archie Manning was at our school all the time talking to Tommy, but when Bryant visited him, that was it.
Bryant told Tommy he could be an All-Sec QB or an All American Safety, that's why he switched positions after leaving Bama and coming home after his first semester. Bryant personally came to bring him back up there.
Peavy is what did Mac in. I remember people screaming " Quick Kick, Mac" on third down all the time at the games which I started going to in 73.
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Mayhawman 
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/30/13 at 2:34 pm to Jim Rockford)
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I have no doubt this guy posts on the Rant.
Was Hamilsbach on back of his jersey?
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MonroeTiger80
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/30/13 at 2:51 pm to dimet)
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The slippery slope began with Mike Miley choosing pro baseball over LSU football at the start of the '74 season. LSU had implemented the veer offense to fit the talents of both Miley and Carl Otis Trimble. It just wasn't successful. The '77 recruiting class was the class that many felt would put Coach Mac back on top...it was a talent rich group. But losing both Tommy Wilcox to Alabama and John Fourcade to Ole Miss in '78 was the precursor to his dismissal. Thought the '77 and '78 years were reasonably successful,Coach Mac could not lure new coaches to LSU because of his lack of job security. The BOS did Coach Mac no favors his last 2 years at LSU. He moved coaches around on the staff to just fill holes of those that had left...Coach Randall, the DL coach, Barry Wilson, the OL asst. coach and Lynn Amedee, the QB coach and OC...his last staff,('79),was a shadow of what it once was. The BOS bringing in Mr. Dietzel just insured the inevitable.
Not to mention a few years before he lost out on two of the greatest Louisiana QBs to ever put on pads: Terry Bradshaw and Joe Ferguson
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75helpmacpack
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/30/13 at 3:11 pm to TheDude321)
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b]saban walks in and picks up the best players in the state[/b]
....I DON'T THINK SO. Eddie Lacy is just another good back without that All American offensive line and landon collins will be good but not great...but this year, just as in every year Miles got the majority of the top 10 players in the state....as well as the best guard in Illinois, the best defensive end in tennessee, and the second best qb in california...not to shabby.
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Jim Rockford
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/30/13 at 3:28 pm to MonroeTiger80)
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Not to mention a few years before he lost out on two of the greatest Louisiana QBs to ever put on pads: Terry Bradshaw and Joe Ferguson
Bradshaw couldn't get in LSU, by his own admission. We got Bert Jones instead of Ferguson, so we were hardly hurting for QB's.
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MonroeTiger80
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/30/13 at 4:33 pm to Jim Rockford)
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Bradshaw couldn't get in LSU, by his own admission. We got Bert Jones instead of Ferguson, so we were hardly hurting for QB's.
You're right. I'd forgotten about Bradshaw's academic record being so abysmal. Tech must have twisted themselves into knots justifying enrolling him there.
As to Ferguson, as you probably remember he was a much more prolific passing QB coming out of Woodlawn's pro-style than Bert Jones was running Hoss Garrett's wing-T but in truth Cholly Mack would have probably wasted his talents as he mostly did Jones' had Joe ended up in Baton Rouge..
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AlwysATgr
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/30/13 at 6:57 pm to JR Hamilsbach)
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That's a pretty important statistical outlier. I don't care how close the games are between the two teams. In the biggest game, we were blown out. Miles record of 3-4 also includes wins when Alabama was in the process of rebuilding. Is Miles 2-3 or 1-4 in the last 5? If it's 1-4, being 3-4 overall isn't looking as good.
The 1/9 game was obviously the biggest game between the two. It was also a rematch after the first biggest game ever between the two. And it is a statistical outlier.
The only win vs Bama that could be considered during rebuilding would have been '07.
Miles is 2-3 vs Saban in the last five games (wins in '10 & '11, losses in '09, 1/9, an '12).
Saban is obviously getting it done better than Miles at present but the gap isn't as great as sometimes thought. It remains to be seen if we're going to assume a prolonged status of 2nd place. IMO it's TBD (but we could know as early as two more seasons).
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TigerBender
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 6:02 pm to AlwysATgr)
I don't know about y'all, but from 1969 to 1979 I can remember leaving tiger stadium at least once or twice a year with my dad threatening to beat Cholly's brains in.
It was really bad in 1974 when we thought we were going all the way only to fail again.
My dad's gone now but I can still remember him jumping up and down in the living room one afternoon hollering yes finally he's gone. We thought he had lost his mind. He finally calmed down enough to tell us Cholly had been forced to retire.
So what we are seeing right now looks like an echo from the 70's.
And this is definitely the best thread I've seen in years.
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munchman
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 6:21 pm to liquid rabbit)
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I thought he did a good job. Nobody else could beat Bryant either
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DaSaltyTiger
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 8:01 pm to munchman)
He actually beat Bryant one time more that Bryant's other former pupils did.
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Rebel 
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 9:00 pm to Chicken)
What an awesome thread on perspective.
The Rantard came several decades before The Rant.
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Nuts4LSU
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 10:54 pm to JR Hamilsbach)
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Is Miles 2-3 or 1-4 in the last 5? If it's 1-4, being 3-4 overall isn't looking as good
Miles' pattern against Alabama with Saban is this...
Won
Lost
Lost
Won
Won
Lost (NC game)
Lost
This post was edited on 1/31 at 10:56 pm
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TigerMike58
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 11:01 pm to TexTgrTed)
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Pop, pop, pop, punt was how I recall he referred to the Tigahs' offensive strategy in the 70s.
Actually the cheer was:
Up the middle, up the middle, up the middle, PUNT!
And Chicken, Charlie didn't average 9 wins a season, because we only played 10, later 11 at the time. I do remember calling a radio station to ask the question, "why do you want to get rid of a coach that wins 77% of his games?" I guess I was an unrelenting PosiTiger even in my teens.
I know you barely post-pubescent fans hate hearing this, but following the firing of Mac, LSU went thru 21 years of roller coaster football, with the nadir being The Curly Debacle.
I told this same story to TAMU fans when they wanted to fire RC. Now they are emerging from a 10-year roller coaster ride. You are fools if you think this can't happen to LSU again. Be careful what you wish for......
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dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 11:19 pm to TigerMike58)
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You are fools if you think this can't happen to LSU again
In a heartbeat, that is a fact.
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DaSaltyTiger
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 1/31/13 at 11:55 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196)
Actually the BOS gave Mac the option of longer contract if he fired certain assistants or two years, be the president of the American Football Coaches Association and them retire. The options were brought to him while he awaited outside in his car. When given the options, out of loyalty to his assistants, he told the messenger to tell the board that he would take the two year deal. He was hoping that his last recruiting class would pan out andet him keep his job beyond the two years It didn't work. Carl Maddox, a Mac supporter, had retired as AD. He was former Jim Corbett's successor. The BOS had
specifically hired Paul Dietzel to fire him, and would fire him
only a few years later. They then hired Bob Bordbead to can
Jerry Stovall. The biggest problem with LSU football at that time was the meddling by the BOS, including some women who didn't even have a clue in hell what a football was. It was a novelty to them.
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Trent
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 6:12 am to liquid rabbit)
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Not playing the right QB. Can't win the big one.
Unless you're blowing everybody out, you're never playing "the right QB". Someone is always thinking "we could have won with X QBing"
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MetryTyger
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:18 am to Nuts4LSU)
Nuts4LSU
For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat?
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Is Miles 2-3 or 1-4 in the last 5? If it's 1-4, being 3-4 overall isn't looking as good
Miles' pattern against Alabama with Saban is this...
Won
Lost
Lost
Won
Won
Lost (NC game)
Lost
And of the 4 losses, we've had a chance to win 3 of them, esp. '08 and '12.
And even as horribly as we played on 1/9, if Jarvis Landry can catch Jefferson's pass in the 3rd quarter, it's 15-7.
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cajunjj
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:20 am to Chicken)
Mac stayed on the hot seat because as some of u have said on this rant, he would never play the best QB. Any one remember JJ year before last against Bama in the mulligan? 
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TigerMike58
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:00 am to MonroeTiger80)
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Not to mention a few years before he lost out on two of the greatest Louisiana QBs to ever put on pads: Terry Bradshaw and Joe Ferguson
Terry Bradshaw, believe or not couldn't get in LSU. La Tech said they'd take care of him academically and they did. Ferguson was NEVER going anywhere else but Arkansas.
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Nuts4LSU
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| re: For the old-timers...when did Cholly Mac first get on the hot seat? (Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:37 am to TigerMike58)
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I know you barely post-pubescent fans hate hearing this, but following the firing of Mac, LSU went thru 21 years of roller coaster football
Nope, the first nine seasons after he was gone were better than the last nine he was here...
1980: 7-4
1981: 3-7-1
1982: 8-3-1 (Orange Bowl)
1983: 4-7
1984: 8-3-1 (Sugar Bowl, should have been awarded SEC title)
1985: 9-2-1
1986: 9-3 (SEC champions, Sugar Bowl)
1987: 10-1-1
1988: 8-4 (SEC champions, spurned by Sugar Bowl for Auburn whom we beat)
Total: 66-34-5 (.652); 2 SEC championships (should have been 3); 3 major bowls (should have been 4)
Last nine seasons of Mac...
1971: 9-3
1972: 9-2-1
1973: 9-3 (Orange Bowl)
1974: 6-4-1 (really 5-5-1 on the field, but Miss. St. forfeited years later)
1975: 5-6 (really 4-7, but Miss. St. forfeit changed it later)
1976: 6-4-1
1977: 8-4
1978: 8-4
1979: 7-5
Total: 67-35-3 (.652, aided by forfeits); 0 SEC championships, 1 major bowl
The bottom didn't fall out until 1989, when Archer managed to run the program into the ground in only his third year. It's kind of silly to attribute that to firing a coach 10 years earlier, who no doubt would have long retired before then even if he hadn't been fired.
This post was edited on 2/1 at 11:43 am
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