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Layabout
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and in those 40 years almost 56 million abortions have taken place.

A good many of those would still have taken place but at much greater risk to the mother. There are probably fewer places today where a woman can obtain an abortion than there were forty years ago. After all these years it's settled. Time to move on.



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BeeFense5
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re: 40 years ago today Abortion became legal in this country


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There are probably fewer places today where I woman can obtain an abortion than there were forty years ago.


Great to hear this trend. Hopefully for the sake of humanity that it continues.






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catholictigerfan
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A good many of those would still have taken place but at much greater risk to the mother.


there wouldn't have been 56 million abortions.

in the span of a couple of years after RVW was decided the abortion rate skyrocketed in this country. Also countries where abortion was legal and now it is becoming illegal have abortions at a very very low rate. So based on these facts abortions wouldn't happen anywhere close to a million+ a year rate as it is currently.






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Layabout
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there wouldn't have been 56 million abortions.

Back alley record keeping leaves a lot to be desired.






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catholictigerfan
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Back alley record keeping leaves a lot to be desired.


so you think there would be 1 million+ abortions a year in the back alley I find that hard to believe personally. Usually when something is illegal it happens less.






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asurob1
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btw why I backed off discussion is because almost anything I say will get under keltic tigers skin. There is no way for me to word that abortion is wrong and me not to look like an A-hole who thinks keltic tigers sister is a murder and should rot in prision. Even though this is far from what I think, but its very easy to misinterpret what someone says on a message board. So anything I say in defense of abortion just turns keltictiger further and further away from what I believe the truth to be.


That's because you are an uncaring a-hole who doesnt give a damn about keltic tiger's sister and the many many other women who find their selves in her exact position. Your belief in mythical religion clouds your judgement and paints the world in two colors...black and white.

The world is gray.






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asurob1
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The same thing one would gain by preventing a mother's body from laying atop her newborn's body so as to smother it. It's her body. What justification is there to interfere? The justification is in saving the life of the second individual involved.


and with this argument you miss the point.

A fetus is not a child, it is a fetus.






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asurob1
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so you think there would be 1 million+ abortions a year in the back alley I find that hard to believe personally. Usually when something is illegal it happens less.


Your a funny little man. Do you really think that someone who wants an abortion can't go have one? Prohibition made drinking damn illegal in this country for years.

Didn't stop people from getting their drink on.

Look at the war of drugs....

The only thing abortion being illegal did was made the procedure more risky for the woman trying to get one.

It's over.

Your side lost.






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catholictigerfan
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That's because you are an uncaring a-hole who doesnt give a damn about keltic tiger's sister and the many many other women who find their selves in her exact position. Your belief in mythical religion clouds your judgement and paints the world in two colors...black and white.

The world is gray.



and all I say you just turn into your an A-hole, your blind to the world and blah blah blah blah blah.

even though you don't believe me I do care for women, I don't want them to be in crisis pregnancies and rape is horrible. You don't know me one bit and you base everything off this message board.

but this is a waste of my time you reject everything I say so whatever.






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catholictigerfan
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Your a funny little man. Do you really think that someone who wants an abortion can't go have one? Prohibition made drinking damn illegal in this country for years.

Didn't stop people from getting their drink on.

Look at the war of drugs....

The only thing abortion being illegal did was made the procedure more risky for the woman trying to get one.

It's over.

Your side lost.


so let me get your logic here.

it doesn't matter how bad something is lets make it legal anyway because making something illegal doesn't help to stop it.

so if infanticide was legal you would be ok with it because it would be a large decreasing one anyway.

btw I backed up my statements with real world examples

poland made abortion illegal and the rates dropped significant. As soon as RVW became legal abortion rates when through the roof.

I give examples all you call me is a funny little man and expect me to believe you based on no facts.

my question is yeah people drank during prohibition but how many people drank did less people drink or did they drink as much as they did when it was legal.






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NC_Tigah
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and with this argument you miss the point.

A fetus is not a child, it is a fetus.
with this argument you miss the physiology, but that's not terribly surprising.

I'd be curious as to when in your estimation "fetus" magically converts to "child". Specifically.






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asurob1
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Specifically.


Viability






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asurob1
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and all I say you just turn into your an A-hole, your blind to the world and blah blah blah blah blah.

even though you don't believe me I do care for women, I don't want them to be in crisis pregnancies and rape is horrible. You don't know me one bit and you base everything off this message board.

but this is a waste of my time you reject everything I say so whatever.


Oh I am well aware of my assholic tendency when debating true believers. The thing I have learned is that when discussing anything with a true believer. No debate tactic works. Not science, not logic, not reason. Faith is a powerful blinding force to true believers. To them there is right and wrong. There are never circumstances that might fall somewhere in the middle. So I use the weapons of debate that are used against me.

Simple really...and yes I reject most of your words because you haven't lived in this world very long and it is very very obvious.






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asurob1
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it doesn't matter how bad something is lets make it legal anyway because making something illegal doesn't help to stop it.


You fail right away in your point.

Pro abortion types like myself do not believe that abortion is bad.

Get it?

Its no different then the morning after pill, the condom...or pulling out before you orgasm.






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NC_Tigah
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Viability
Well Jesus H. Christ dude, what's with all the "it's the women's body and no one has the right to interfere" language? You'd tell a woman she does not have the "right to choose" once range of fetal viability is attained? You're pro-choice for the first half and pro-life for the second half of pregnancy.







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asurob1
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Well Jesus H. Christ dude, what's with all the "it's the women's body and no one has the right to interfere" language? You'd tell a woman she does not have the "right to choose" once range of fetal viability is attained? You're pro-choice for the first half and pro-life for the second half of pregnancy.


yes

surprising isn't it.

I told you guys a long long time ago. I have a cutoff time when I think that abortion is no longer acceptable (except when the mother's life is in peril, then it's always acceptable).

I think within the first three or four months the majority of women are capable of deciding whether or not they want to share space with the fetus. Once that time limit is up. Then they "are" sharing space.

This is very consistent with my belief system.



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Keltic Tiger
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catholictiger, I did not "misinterpret" what your message is. In one earlier thread, you used the word "murderer" to define anyone who had an abortion.Pretty black & white comment. Go back just a few pages here & reread your comments bout prison time for any raped female who has an abortion.Again,pretty black & white. I have no problem with your defense of being anti abortion. You are entitled to your own beliefs & choices re same. But when you cross the line & start defaming innocent females & proclaim that these innocent females should be imprisoned, because that is your religious-based belief..........yet, Father _____ does understand where my family & I are coming from & supports my sister like anyone else in his "flock". Because he gets out of that ivory tower that the Church can easily become & walks the streets of his parish. As for getting under my skin: forget the love that every brother has for his sister. I'd love to show you the pictures that the police took of my sister after she was taken to the hospital that evening. I'd want you to take a long, hard look at her "before" pictures & then, those. Then look at me & tell me she is a murderer who deserves prison time. If rape abortions is only 1% of your statistics, then this is one big 1% to me; the point being this issue is not about stats, rather, it's bout real people out there.





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catholictigerfan
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I did not "misinterpret" what your message is.


if you say I don't care for women who are going through abortions then yes you have.

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In one earlier thread, you used the word "murderer" to define anyone who had an abortion.Pretty black & white comment. Go back just a few pages here & reread your comments bout prison time for any raped female who has an abortion.Again,pretty black & white.


look I don't want to surgarcoat abortion I don't want to dumb it down or anything. Its pretty simple the fetus is a human being deserving rights and protection under the law from the moment of conception. So directly attacking it from no matter what way you look at is murder. It's a tough issue but that is the nature of it.

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But when you cross the line & start defaming innocent females & proclaim that these innocent females should be imprisoned, because that is your religious-based belief


I wish I could say this in another way but women who have abortion aren't innocent. Their culpablity can change and your sisters is very very low but the fact of the matter is killing an innocent human being is wrong in the eyes of God.

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Father _____ does understand where my family & I are coming from & supports my sister like anyone else in his "flock". Because he gets out of that ivory tower that the Church can easily become & walks the streets of his parish


As I have said I'm glad your priest does this. I don't think it neccessarliy means he agrees with what your sister did but he being a priest of Jesus Christ loved you like you are family and was there ever step of the way.

The Church is in the world with the people and they know the reality of the world, we aren't like the philosophers of old who sit on a high mountain and write philosophy every day. We understand what people go through we are there to see what the reality of the world is like. We also have 2000 years of tradition and understanding that goes into our understanding including our position on abortion.

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As for getting under my skin: forget the love that every brother has for his sister. I'd love to show you the pictures that the police took of my sister after she was taken to the hospital that evening. I'd want you to take a long, hard look at her "before" pictures & then, those. Then look at me & tell me she is a murderer who deserves prison time. If rape abortions is only 1% of your statistics, then this is one big 1% to me; the point being this issue is not about stats, rather, it's bout real people out there.


I never said your sister deserved Jail time her situation is alot different then almost all abortions, she was rapped and because of that her culpability is much less lower then those who have an abortion because its inconvenient. But discussing sentences are a waste of time.

lastly and real quickly I do care about women and I understand how difficult a pregnancy can be for people espically unplanned one. I know the horrors of rape, even though I don't know what people go through who are rapped and are the family of a rape victim. I've always tried to show this.

but something that is part of my belief set and my morality and that of the church as well that from conception there is a human life, and it is the beautiful gift of God. Created in the image and likeness of God, loved by him as much as he loves you and me. While the reality of rape is horrible and I don't even wish my enemies to go through that. Nothing and I MEAN NOTHING justifies the killing of an innocent human being who has just as much dignity as you and me.

I'll leave it at this if in the future someone with a deep personal connection to me or someone I know well is rapped and gets pregnant I would do my best to be like that priest was for you. BUT I care just as much as that baby inside that women's womb, and because of that I would want her to go through her pregnancy have the child. If she had an abortion I would be there too but I would strongly strongly advise against it. You and ASUrob may not believe me but I promise you that I would because I love people that much I care for people and it hurts me to see people hurt in that way. This is just a tough issue and it effects people. I really hope you see where I'm coming from. Don't get tied up to much in how I say abortion is murder and your sister had an abortion. Try to see how much I care for the human being the in the women of a child and maybe you'll understand where I'm coming from.






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Keltic Tiger
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catholictiger, so, it is a "tough issue" for you. What an amazing comment. It must be nice to be that sheltered. I am talking to the rape counselor who helped my sister & the family this wkend, & I'll make sure he knows that this particular type of hell is just a "tough issue but the way it is". As to ".... in the eyes of God": Must be nice as well to get that message directly from God. My sister, myself, our parents, her husband, we all must have been asleep when he spoke to us, because our beliefs are different.Or he only speaks to anti abortionists. And I have no problem believing your sincerity when it comes to understanding how you feel bout an unborn fetus. Just quit trying to force your beliefs on others, or at the very least, quit trying to protray them as if you are Moses coming down from The Mount with all the answers. Your beliefs do not necessarily translate to the almighty truth for the rest of the world. I don't judge you or your beliefs. Why cann't you give us the same privilege?





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re: 40 years ago today Abortion became legal in this country


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Why is it ok to pass laws limiting guns,but not abortions?I thought Obama wanted to help save children.


This is a complete apples to oranges comparison.

I am pro choice. Because despite what legislature you pass, women are still going to have abortions. This will never change. The bell cannot be un-rung. Late term abortions I find incomprehensible. These should be difficult to impossible to have.

I could NEVER have an abortion, but I am a 39 year old MAN with a good job.







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