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However, you do realize that almost every single explosive, Olympic lift is designed on a jump-catch cycle right? In the snatch you throw a weight over your head and then catch it. In a jerk you take a bar from a rack position and explosively press it overhead before catching it. How is this any different.


show me an Olympic lifter who will do anything over about 6 reps.

As fatigue sets in, form fails. it's a fact.

Form fails, injuries happen.

you're telling me people doing 100 kips for speed are doing all 100 with perfect form? I smell bull shite.

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Olympic lifts are shown to increase bone strength, core stability and promote maximum oxygen uptake which is the most important aspect of cardiovascular fitness.





and they're done near the max load for your muscles very few times. Crossfit has people doing 30 reps of deadlift. 30!






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CM Tiger83
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How come you can't have a thread asking people if they are going to do the open without it automatically turns into a "You're going to get hurt doing Crossfit" thread.





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Tigerfan56
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It never fails.





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Has it already been discussed how stupid crossfit is? How they don't teach you any kind of form, just get the weight up as fast as possible so that way you can spends thousands on medical bills?





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JermStone
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Has it already been discussed how stupid crossfit is? How they don't teach you any kind of form, just get the weight up as fast as possible so that way you can spends thousands on medical bills?


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not sure if serious....








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FootballNostradamus
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what is the point of the "pace" if the load isnt distributed efficiently? Just to say you can do it faster?


You don't see the benefit of maximum exertion for short periods of time? Do you realize how different a sprinter's form is from that of a long distance runner?

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I can do half reps super fast in squat...doesnt mean I'm actually doing anything of value for longterm adaptation.


Well this is simily a ridiculous statement. You really think doing 100 half-squats as fast as possible wouldn't be benefitial? Ever heard of speed work? Universities all over the land are moving at an alarming rate to Strength & Conditioning programs based on high-intensity explosive lifts/exercises.

The old adage of strength training is alot like the Physics equation for Work. We're trying to move this much weight this far of a distance. That was pretty much it. Crossfit and football programs all over the country aren't interested in Work they're interested in Power. It's fine you can move X amount of weight Y distance but I want to know how fast you can move it.

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Do you get stronger with them?


Yes. High-intensity full-body workouts are the most efficient was to train your body both from a strength and conditioning standpoint. Again, if you just want to go to the gym and throw up 300 on bench, Crossfit isn't for you. If you want to be able to throw up 250 and also run a 7 minute mile this is probably what you're looking for.

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Do they increase neuromuscular activation?


You're making this very easy for me. Yes, they're some of the most effective exercises possible for neuromuscular activation. The most effective lifts possible to increase neuromuscular activation are complex compound lifts. The best example of these are lifts that involve taxing numerous muscle groups through the primarily use of free weights and body weight while also requiring significant focus and control from your nervous system.

Isolation lifts like bench and curls are horrible at neuromuscular activation. Kipping pull-ups, snatch, burpees, etc are excellent examples of exceptional neuromuscular activation exercises.

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Do they reduce the chance of injury?


Many would say putting your body through controlled and varied ranges of motion is the best way possible to strength and avoid injury. You really think it's the best idea to solely work your shoulders in overhead press and bench press directions? What about the other hundreds of other directions your shoulder can find itself throughout the course of a day? Wouldn't you like to strengthen these as well.






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tigerfoot


for 1k and a day class with a test at the end you too can be a crossfit trainer!






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I just don't like the fact that I'd be limited to working out at set times, if it wasn't for that I probably would have given it a shot by now.





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FootballNostradamus
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i see more rounded backs in crossfit than at the gym. You get tired...form fails.


Atleast ya got one thing right.

If there's one thing I don't like about Crossfit it's the use of Olympic lifts and deadlifts in heavy rep settings.

Like you mentioned, when your body is taxed your form can fail and this is where you're susceptible to injury. I try to minimize the number of workouts I do that involve heavy reps of Olympic lifts and focus on heavy rep workouts that primarily use one's body weight.






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Queen
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Definitely not entering this year but will probably watch some of it at my gym.

My max burpees 7 min is only 69, and I can't do prescribed weight on most workouts yet. FML, I am weak.






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JermStone
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My max burpees 7 min is only 69, and I can't do prescribed weight on most workouts yet. FML, I am weak.


keep with it. form first. weight later. you'll get there!






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FootballNostradamus
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my motor SUCKS. i am good for about 6-8 minutes then hit the wall.


Makes sense. Still, endurance is easier to overcome than brute strength. You already have a high base for your strength, MUCH easier to get the endurance in that realm than to go from endurance to strength.






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can you tell me the correct way...I have asked in this thread an no one has explained how yet. I see a lot of videos of kipping that will cause injury due to acceleration placed on muscles not under load, particularly the small stabilization muscles of the shoulder.


I clearly gave you a detailed description you must have missed.






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I started Crossfit 7 months ago and couldn't do a pull-up,HSPU,muscle-up or any advanced movement. My lifting numbers were with most of the girls. Now I can rep out pull-ups, HSPU. Do some muscle-ups. I've worked up to a 285 bench, 355 squat,455 DL, 245 C&J, 205 snatch. Just keep working hard, and results will come. Don't give up, it works.
ETA: Didn't know you were a girl. Took out the man part. Rest of post remains. Keep it up



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keep with it. form first. weight later. you'll get there!





Thanks for the faith. I have only been doing it for about seven months. Girls start slow!






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the benefit of maximum exertion for short periods of time?


100 kipps is maximum exertion in a short period of time?

try a 95% max squat or deadlift and get back to me champ

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Ever heard of speed work? Universities all over the land are moving at an alarming rate to Strength & Conditioning programs based on high-intensity explosive lifts/exercises.


They've been doing them for decades champ. Except high intensity explosive exercises arent done for absurd numbers of reps.

form fails, and injury chances go WAYY up.

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in Work they're interested in Power.


ah yes, but again, sicne you are bastardizing the form ,we cant calculate the appriate FORCE applied to the muscle. Doing something 30 times doesnt give you power champ.

Doing something insanely difficult once or twice gives you power.

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High-intensity full-body workouts are the most efficient was to train your body both from a strength and conditioning standpoint


High intensity doesnt mean 100s of reps.

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If you want to be able to throw up 250 and also run a 7 minute mile


I warm-up at 250 and run about 8:15 over distance training for my 10k currently. I also will have use of my shoulders in a year.

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are complex compound lifts.


TEHRE IS A REASON THAT THESE LIFTS ARE DONE A FEW TIMES AT NEAR MAX LOAD.

Read about it, learn about it. No, the crossfit forums arent a reputable source. I mean there well over 4k threads on injury alone.

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Isolation lifts like bench


bench is not an isolation lift... tell me more crossfit guru!

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ou really think it's the best idea to solely work your shoulders in overhead press and bench press directions?


good god....






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CptBengal
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If there's one thing I don't like about Crossfit it's the use of Olympic lifts and deadlifts in heavy rep settings.

Like you mentioned, when your body is taxed your form can fail and this is where you're susceptible to injury. I try to minimize the number of workouts I do that involve heavy reps of Olympic lifts and focus on heavy rep workouts that primarily use one's body weight.


yeah, olympic lifts for reps = injury.






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CM Tiger83
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I've been doing it for about a year and a half and I have never seen any of these injuries I hear so much about. Not saying there aren't any, but it seems to be way less then when I was playing competitive sports.





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FootballNostradamus
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As fatigue sets in, form fails. it's a fact.

Form fails, injuries happen.

you're telling me people doing 100 kips for speed are doing all 100 with perfect form? I smell bull shite.


Well, the whole point of any sort of lifting progran is muscle memory. You design your body to block-out pain and fatigue and repeat what it's been trained to do. There's also a huge mental aspect of any sort of lift that requires precise technique, and this is something Crossfit inarguably trains harder than most other lifting programs.

Also, do you think Crossfit is the only place where form suffers? How many gyms do you know that require someone to take numerous classes on proper lifting techniques before they get under a bar? Crossfit knows its lifts, if done improperly, are likely more dangerouse for individuals, but they have acknowledged this risk and it's the reason every individual is forced to take a Fundamantals class and every WOD will have a trainer overseeing it.






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