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I don't do crossfit but I'm doing Stoppani's HIIT 100s workout and he incorporates some kettle bell stuff in. One of the workouts has you doing 10 sets of Kettle bell swings (squat)at the end of your full workout...first week you start out with 60 seconds rest between sets and the rest decreases 10 seconds each week. I'm doing 10 seconds rest now and it is a legit butt kicker at the end of your workout





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I listened to it explained. Why would generating horizontal motion (which is ridiculous concerning you're moving in the vertical plane for the contraction) be a better way to move in the vertical.

i understand the momentum transfer, but the increased load applied to your muscles seems like it could damage your shoulders without the activation necessary in the vertical plane



if done correctly there is almost a weightless feeling at one point and that's when you pull to minimize the energy used. like i said before. its for higher reps or for quicker time. dead hangs are still ideal for strength work






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Look up the workout "murph". Go do it and tell me how easy it is with the kipping pull-ups


a guy i work with is a certified crossfit instructor and was telling me about the murph a few weeks ago. my mind was blown.






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the issue is that you are using a cheap source of swinging momentum to complete a rep. That isnt a measure of strength, and vastly increases your chance of injury because you are transferring momentum for different planes of motion.


when you are elite, none of this matters son. if you get injured, you just weren't doing it right






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the issue is that you are using a cheap source of swinging momentum to complete a rep. That isnt a measure of strength, and vastly increases your chance of injury because you are transferring momentum for different planes of motion.

If all you care about is strength then crossfit isn't for you anyway. I agree strict pull-ups are ideal for strength, and we do those also. But there are also workouts with high reps meant to be performed at an intense pace, where kipping is beneficial. And just because you kip, doesn't mean your body isn't getting a workout.






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if done correctly there is almost a weightless feeling at one point and that's when you pull to minimize the energy used.


thats even worse!!! so when the momentum transfer changes back with gravity to the vertical DOWN...your muscles have to go from no load to max gravity acceleration load?

And you people think this is safe?






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And you people think this is safe?

Haven't seen anyone hurt from it. Like I said, it's just like everything else. Do it right and you won't get hurt. If you're stupid about it then yeah you could get hurt. No different than guys going to the gym and doing way too heavy deadlifts with shitty form and killing their back.






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The biggest problem with cross fit is that it is not an excercise regimen or program. Its an athletic competition...





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But there are also workouts with high reps meant to be performed at an intense pace,


what is the point of the "pace" if the load isnt distributed efficiently? Just to say you can do it faster?

I can do half reps super fast in squat...doesnt mean I'm actually doing anything of value for longterm adaptation.

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And just because you kip, doesn't mean your body isn't getting a workout.



Your body gets a workout having sex...with less chance of injury. What is the point of these dangerous reps is ym question?

What benefit in adaptation do they provide? which is the point of a training program (which crossfit is)

Do you get stronger with them?
Do they increase neuromuscular activation?
Do they reduce the chance of injury?






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And you people think this is safe?


never hurt me so i guess it is safe enough. i understand where you are coming from but it just doesnt have the impact on me like you are saying. maybe weaker people or people that dont know what the frick they are doing...but not me






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Haven't seen anyone hurt from it.


google kipping shoulder injury and get back to me...

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Do it right and you won't get hurt.


tell me the proper form. Most I see in competition do the "butterfly" variant.

You will get injured doing that exercise.

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doing way too heavy deadlifts with shitty form and killing their back.



i see more rounded backs in crossfit than at the gym. You get tired...form fails.






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what is the point of the "pace"

It's a high intensity type of training. Same way people do sprint workouts.
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What benefit in adaptation do they provide?

I think they provide a lot of benefits. It gives you overall fitness. Your strength in lifts will go up, your endurance and stamina will improve. I'm in the best shape of my life from this. Literally any measure of athleticism or strength you could come up with for me has improved from crossfit. I don't know if everyone can say the same, but for me it's perfect and has worked really well.






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The biggest problem with cross fit is that it is not an excercise regimen or program.

Strongly disagree with this. Most people at any crossfit box don't do it to compete. They do it as their form of exercise and I've seen people make great gains from it.






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Which is why it's nice to have trainers at the gym watching you do your workouts and making sure your form doesn't get sloppy.


Except their are a lot of "trainers" that are certified at the lowest level and don't know good form from a pile of shite.






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tell me the proper form. Most I see in competition do the "butterfly" variant.

You will get injured doing that exercise.

I don't know how to explain proper form. But I've seen these pull-ups done over and over again without injuries. I don't doubt injuries happen but again that can be said for ANY exercise.
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i see more rounded backs in crossfit than at the gym. You get tired...form fails

Just like any lift when it's heavy or you're tired form can fail. No one in crossfit is making you go harder than you physically feel you can. You can scale weights back, go at a slower pace, etc.






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Except their are a lot of "trainers" that are certified at the lowest level and don't know good form from a pile of shite.

Ok. Even if I were to accept your premise that they know nothing about form, it would still be no different from lifting at a regular gym and doing poor form.






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where can i signup for this on the ms gulf coast? really interested in crossfit





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. But I've seen these pull-ups done over and over again without injuries


repetitive motions like that on a complex joint like the shoulder may not manifest as acute, but rather in a chronic fashion.






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No one in crossfit is making you go harder than you physically feel you can. You can scale weights back, go at a slower pace, etc.


Doing exercises for time indirectly puts the stigma that you must do it as fast as possible which generally throws good form into the wind.

Not all crossfit gyms are bad, I went to one with a coworker that was a big crossfit guy. They made me lower the weight because it was better to get form than have higher weight. A lot of them aren't like that though.






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