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mograyback
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Do you?
or do you NOT?


There are other mitigating factors. It's not that simple. Having more things doesn't always equal a society in progression. This can go into further depths but I think we're having a hard enough time right here on the surface.



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NC_Tigah
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this is kind of funny when you get back to the "we didn't used to lock our doors" argument that YOU made while discussing an era that is clearly MORE DANGEROUS than today
Ms NC & I had this discussion earlier. Use of the "n-word" and meaning it might be a relative comparison -- 1960's vs 2010's






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SlowFlowPro
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Right, and so nearly 2/3 of the decline is real. That's my point. Crime has been going down, and there is no really good argument against that observation.

i don't know anybody, outside of people on this message board creating a false reality of childhood/adolescence in the 70s-90s, who think that crime isn't going down at a major rate

i'm sure the books are cooked. i'm sure the books were cooked in the 80s and 90s, too. people ignore that






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mograyback
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This would be a worthwhile presentation to inject into this thread at this point. It covers this foundation topic of society and decline, but focuses on crime and violence.
LINK

It's long, not expecting anyone to watch it.






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I just destroyed his little path down memory lane


When someone else compliments your post, that's one thing. When you congratulate yourself for a post, that's something else. I think this self praise goes a long way in proving his point that as a society we are clueless.






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SlowFlowPro
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Even those on here that try to play cute and compare powdered wig wearing to the complete disregard for all rules, manners and civility know in their hearts we have digressed as a society. They just try to convince themselves in their minds that all is well while rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.


i hope nobody is arguing that culture is changing

there are 2 main issues

1. what are the EFFECTS of this culture change

2. what culture changes did we see with prior generations, and why do people in your situation ignore THAT cultural decline? why is the decline only a big deal now, but it wasn't when you were part of it?






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texashorn
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No, I see a trend, not an anomaly.

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The Dallas Police Department has altered the way crime is counted in several areas over the years. This creates an apples and oranges situation where, because crimes are counted differently, it is difficult to determine actual crime trends.


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Earlier this year, Lt. Col. Dave Grossman told me that he believes the biggest problem facing law enforcement today is altered crime stats.

1.) In 1996, there was a concerted effort to conceal the magnitude of crime in Atlanta during the Summer Olympics selection process. An audit in 2003 revealed that 22,000 crimes were left out of reports for the previous year.

2.) In 1998, Philadelphia PD was the subject of a DOJ investigation into under-reporting crime. The practice endured, top commanders said, because favorable statistics made higher-ups happy and helped careers.

3.) In April 2000 U.S. News and World Report stated that “facing political heat to cut crime in the city, investigators in the [Philadelphia] PD Sex Crime Unit sat on (thousands of) reports of rapes and other sexual assaults.” Captain Rich Costello, President of the FOP said, “The way crime was solved was with an eraser.”

4.) In 2003, four New Orleans officers and a district commander were fired for downgrading hundreds of serious crimes to “miscellaneous incidents.” The department had been giving quarterly and annual "crime reduction awards" to districts that posted the greatest declines in major crime. The fired district commander had won the award for the entire previous year and the first quarter of 2003. The investigation began with anonymous tips from officers frustrated with the aggressive use of statistics as a performance measure.

5.) In 2004, the NYPD police unions publicly charged that the department had cooked the books to lower crime stats and called on its members to share evidence of crimes being downgraded. Management countered that the unions advanced the charge to gain advantage in contract negotiations.

6.) In 2005, four Broward County Deputy Sheriffs were fired for fudging crime stats. Denying any knowledge, the Sheriff used the false stats to convince municipalities to scrap their own police departments and contract with the BSO. He also used the stats in his political rise. An investigation revealed cover ups by BSO supervisors as well as pressures on front line officers to down-grade crimes or only charge one crime to a suspect who had admitted dozens.

7.) In 2010, more than half of 309 retired NYPD officers admitted to fudging crime stats in a survey conducted by two academicians from Molloy and John Jay Colleges. Most of the respondents served as precinct commanders after CompStat was implemented. They reported heavy pressure from higher-ups to reduce felonies to misdemeanors or to not report crimes at all to make the numbers look prettier.

8.) Fudged crime stats hit pop culture status with HBO’s acclaimed series The Wire. Based on the Baltimore PD, one of the shows central themes was the pressure politicians put on police brass, who pass it on to the department’s middle management, to generate PR-friendly statistics about lowering crime and increasing arrests.


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NC_Tigah
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Having more things does always equal a society in progression.
No no.
By all means, please expound.






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SlowFlowPro
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I think this self praise goes a long way in proving his point that as a society we are clueless.

this is a topic that i cherish, every time it gets posted on here or the OT. i am giddy about making the same responses to the same ignorant comments, mainly because it's a great real world example of perception biases

let's not act like 20-somethings proving old men wrong started celebrated doing that in my generation

pretty sure that's been going on since societies started






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Lsupimp
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I lived 200 feet away from the Deke House with a much better group of guys for four years circa 1984-1988. And while they were COMPLETELY over the top, remember their entire Raison d'être was to shock. How forty drunks being shameless in a frat house compares to 10,000 LSU students chanting in a completely shameless manner "suck that Tiger Dick bitch" , I'll never know.

We were NOT a politically correct bunch and we were drunken degenerates at times. We were certainly idiots, but there was a sense of DECORUM that would be hard for you to undertsand. Coat and tie to ball games, a nightly dinner prayer, standing until our House Mom sat down first, endless stuff you wouldn't understand...









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mograyback
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No no.
By all means, please expound.


Good catch... fixed.






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SlowFlowPro
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How forty drunks being shameless in a frat house compares to 10,000 LSU students chanting in a completely shameless manner "suck that Tiger Dick bitch" , I'll never know.

holy shit

to the person posting about histrionics, i present to you: Lsupimp

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We were NOT a politically correct bunch and we were drunken degenerates at times. We were certainly idiots, but there was a sense of DECORUM that would be hard for you to undertsand. Coat and tie to ball games, a nightly dinner prayer, standing until our House Mom sat down first, endless stuff you wouldn't understand...

it's like you think those darn kids today aren't allowed to have drunk stupidity and/or they don't have similar cultural rituals/costumes






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let's not act like 20-somethings proving old men wrong started celebrated doing that in my generation pretty sure that's been going on since societies started




Yes and invariably the 20 something's grow up and realize how right the older generations advise was at the time and how they were too ignorant to see it.



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SlowFlowPro
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honest question: how can you act like the elite are separating from the middle class when they both use the same products at a higher rate than ever before?

don't you think this shedding of classes is a good sign for our culture/society?






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TxTiger82
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No, I see a trend, not an anomaly.


Well for starters, you have only given examples for two places (Detroit and Dallas). You have not addressed the fact that declines are nationwide, not specific to certain locations.

Also, SFP raised a valid point about books being cooked back then, too. What makes you think what you are talking about hasn't always happened? You think they just started doing that yesterday?

And if the books have always been cooked, the numbers are comparable. If the numbers are comparable, you must admit they have gone down.

OK....that's it. I think I've made that point.






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SlowFlowPro
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Yes and invariably the 20 something's grow up and realize how right the older generations advise was at the time and how ignorant they were to see it.

well he's not right, in this instance for sure






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DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I joxied trashy


Just checking in






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TrueTiger
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I lived 200 feet away from the Deke House


I lived 100 feet away. Those dudes were pretty cool and fun to be around, when they weren't on probation. The goat in the back yard was always good for a laugh during initiation week.






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texashorn
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I did include a list of cities all across the country.

Here's another stat to make you ponder "crime stats."

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In 1980, there were fewer than 2 million people in prison, in jail (awaiting trial or convicted of minor crimes), on parole or on probation in the United States. By 2010, that number had swelled to over 7 million people.


Oops, forgot link.
LINK

The population of the United States was 227 million in 1980; in 2010, it was 309 million, which is a 36 percent increase.

Meanwhile, Americans in jail, on parole or on probation nearly quadrupled over that same time frame.



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Just the mere fact that much younger gentlemen have no reluctance to speak so disrespectfully to older men is a sign of degeneration. I'm sure that happened from time to time in the past, but not by self respecting men, but ruffians.





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