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mograyback
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those programs alone are about 35% of our federal spending


So I was right, blaming old people for the borrowing is dumb And once again, it does not matter who or what is getting money transferred to them from future generations, this is all part of this society, and this society needs to borrow to remain in a state of material 'progression'.

(That was a really big and professional looking graph though).



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NC_Tigah
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why did they pay back all of the TARP money then?


That isn't completely true. For instance, Citigroup didn't pay back all of their end, the government took equity on it
In the same way Citi pays its executives? C is up 14% since the deal you cite was struck.
Would you prefer the deal have been in cash?






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TxTiger82
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Is there less crime because people are better or is it because there is infinitely more surveillance and police than in the 80s, even 90s.


Shouldn't more surveillance lead to higher crime rates, given that crime rates are measured by crimes that get reported?

Surveillance should increase the number of reported crimes, not decrease it.

It is a known fact that crime has been decreasing steadily since the 1980s. The interesting thing is that most people thing the opposite is true.







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SlowFlowPro
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Is there less crime because people are better or is it because there is infinitely more surveillance and police than in the 80s, even 90s.

the 2 main factors have to do with crack decreasing in popularity and harsher sentencing for crimes

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Is this an honest progression of society ?

i think our response to societal behaviors is a part of our culture/society

you have to remember how i see morality and society






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TxTiger82
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Detroit police routinely underreport homicides


That is a measurement problem, not a statistical problem. Just to be clear, so you can be precise.






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texashorn
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That is a measurement problem, not a statistical problem. Just to be clear, so you can be precise.


Garbage in, garbage out.






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mograyback
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the 2 main factors have to do with crack decreasing in popularity and harsher sentencing for crimes



This is very valid.

I do still think that surveillance and increased police resources have played a role in the decline.






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TxTiger82
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I do still think that surveillance and increased police resources have played a role in the decline.



Once again, logically the opposite should be true, especially considering that most surveillance apparatuses are not telegraphed.






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Revelator
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Yes LSUpimp. Even those on here that try to play cute and compare powdered wig wearing to the complete disregard for all rules, manners and civility know in their hearts we have digressed as a society. They just try to convince themselves in their minds that all is well while rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.





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Lsupimp
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Indeed. It amazes me how little moral intelligence some people have. They are so awash in obfuscatory psuedo-intellection, and just bad facts and misconceptions about the past, combined with the self-important arrogance of youth, that they find it nearly-impossible to imagine it as other than how it is right now. We have gone from "suck" being too risque for polite conversation to "suck that Tiger Dick, bitch"- and we should be GRATEFUL. FORWARD !





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mograyback
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logically the opposite should be true, especially considering that most surveillance apparatuses are not telegraphed.




You think that more surveillance causes more crime??

And it doesn't really matter all that much if cameras are telegraphed. It's a deterrent (not to all) to know you're being recorded in most public areas.






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mograyback
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Lsupimp



But but but I had a pie chart in my argument.

But but look around we have so many THINGS we didn't have before.






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TxTiger82
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You think that more surveillance causes more crime??


No, no, no. More surveillance doesn't cause more crime, it catches more crime. Therefore there should be more crimes reported because of surveillance (not more crimes committed).

So the fact that the crime rate has been going down despite the increase in surveillance suggests that crime has decreased EVEN MORE THAN THE NUMBERS SUGGEST.

It isn't that difficult to figure this out. Just think about it for two seconds.

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It's a deterrent


Not if people don't know they are there. Deterrents only work if they are known.

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know you're being recorded in most public areas.


I don't think the average person thinks about that.




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NC_Tigah
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But but look around we have so many THINGS we didn't have before.
Do you?
or do you NOT?






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Lsupimp
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But but but I had a pie chart in my argument.






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texashorn
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So the fact that the crime rate has been going down

You are clinging to false logic.

It has been shown time and again that crime stats, all the way from murder to shoplifting, are cooked.

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Dallas police are enthusiastically touting a 12 percent drop in overall crime this year.

But nearly a third of that reduction is because of a new policy that makes it harder for store owners to report shoplifting cases under $50, The Dallas Morning News has found.

The Dallas Morning News






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SlowFlowPro
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and just bad facts and misconceptions about the past, combined with the self-important arrogance of youth, that they find it nearly-impossible to imagine it as other than how it is right now.

this is kind of funny when you get back to the "we didn't used to lock our doors" argument that YOU made while discussing an era that is clearly MORE DANGEROUS than today

who is confused about the past and present?

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We have gone from "suck" being too risque for polite conversation to "suck that Tiger Dick, bitch"- and we should be GRATEFUL. FORWARD !

did you watch the video i posted about DKE in the 80s? a couple minutes in and you see a huge uncle sam flipping off people who walked by







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SlowFlowPro
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But but but I had a pie chart in my argument.

what's wrong with trying to have an argument based in statistical analysis?

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But but look around we have so many THINGS we didn't have before.

i still don't know what you want our society to do?

stop buying things, increase unemployment, allow the rich to have all the nice things, and allow other countries to become economic powers while we decline?

i mean honestly what is your end goal?






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texashorn
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More:

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The Dallas Police Department has altered the way crime is counted in several areas over the years. This creates an apples and oranges situation where, because crimes are counted differently, it is difficult to determine actual crime trends. Here are some of the known accounting changes The Dallas Morning News has noted in recent years:

Aggravated assaults: The News found in a 2009 investigative series that as a result of changes made in 2007, the department misclassified many aggravated assaults, meaning they didn’t go into the city’s violent crime tally. In a one-week sample of cases, a News review estimated that the department’s tally of aggravated assaults should have been at least 50 percent higher.

The department in 2007 changed the way it counts some crimes to subscribe to what is known as the “time and place” rule. Under this philosophy, if a string of crimes happened in the same relative area and probably were committed by the same suspects, the string of incidents counts as only one crime. For example, 15 car burglaries can count as only one crime if they occurred about the same time and place. (The rule does not apply to offenses such as murder, rape and aggravated assault. It applies to crimes such as theft, robbery and some burglaries).

Car burglaries: The News found that as a result of reporting changes made in 2008, Dallas police were discarding reports of seemingly legitimate car burglaries as untrustworthy. Police officials acknowledged flaws and made changes.

Residential and business burglaries: The News found in 2009 that the department continues what it says is a long-standing practice of classifying a case as vandalism — not burglary — if someone kicks in the door of a residence but is scared away by a person or alarm. The department’s reporting policy cuts Dallas’ reported burglary rate. A one-week sample of cases examined then by The News estimated the reduction for that week at about 10 percent.






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TxTiger82
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It has been shown time and again that crime stats, all the way from murder to shoplifting, are cooked.


Nah, you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater but I don't buy it. Cooked numbers can't explain all of the decline in crime nationwide, especially given that the cooking would have to occur in the same ways in many different places.

You are overstating your case, at this point.

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But nearly a third of that reduction is because of a new policy that makes it harder for store owners to report shoplifting cases under $50, The Dallas Morning News has found.


Right, and so nearly 2/3 of the decline is real. That's my point. Crime has been going down, and there is no really good argument against that observation.






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